Nobody of a Nobody? Heartless of a Nobody?

[DropDistance]

We all know that Nobodies have the abilities to grow hearts right? (Roxas, Xemnas, etc.). let's just say Roxas was in the physical world again/saved from torment. What would happen if he lost his new heart to darkness? Will he have a heartless? Will a nobody form? If that's true, then that nobody would be the nobody of Roxas, who's the Nobody of Sora, like an inception kind of thing. Will the Nobody still be considered Sora? (considering he still uses Sora's body, and has not gained his own).

 

[Xblade13]

Mind diddly.

I don't know, I guess it's possible. But that "Nobody" would merely be Roxas without his heart. It would basically just "reboot" Roxas, putting him back to what he was like in the beginning of 358/2 Days. Then Roxas' Heartless and this Nobody would have to be destroyed to bring the Roxas we know back. So, I guess, yeah.

 

[Ruran]

Well if Roxas were to be brought back entirely, heart, body, soul, mind, etc and everything was his and only his...then he's simply not a Nobody any more. He'd be a whole, real person. If Roxas were to lose his heart to darkness e.g. a Heartless ripped it out than, yeah, he would make a Heartless and probably a Nobody as his heart would probably be strong enough for one. Sora and Roxas would have their own bodies and souls so if either were to lose their hearts, Sora would produce a different Nobody from Roxas and Roxas would produce another.

 

[Dreaded_Desire62]

Yeah, said nobody would have an added X in their names.

 

[Nayru's Love]

Nobodies are still beings from the Realm of In-Between, so I don't think they can create an infinite cycle of Heartless/Nobodies. Interesting concept, though.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

I'd think that most people seem to forget that when Roxas has a heart of his own he's no longer a Nobody, but a new person in his own right. So when he would be restored as an independent existence again he would become a normal boy, so the "Nobody of a Nobody"-analogy would no longer fit.

 

[Xblade13]

Question: If Roxas were to be completely restored, would he still have Sora's body, or even Ventus' looks? Could he make an appearance entirely his own (like Naminé)?

I suppose if he got a new body (which is partially his problem), he would be a normal person, and could theoretically become a Heartless and Nobody. The Nobody would then retain the appearance of Roxas' new body. It would not be Sora, because Roxas' new "him" body would be for Roxas only. Also, it would not be a Nobody of a Nobody, because Roxas would be a Somebody.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

Question: If Roxas were to be completely restored, would he still have Sora's body, or even Ventus' looks? Could he make an appearance entirely his own (like Naminé)?

Sora's body: No.
Ventus' looks: Yes, because your heart and how others see you/remember you dictate your appearance.

Ventus' appearance is also Roxas' appearance because that is how he himself and others remember him.
That's how he and Naminé recognized each other despite having lost their own existence at the end of KH2:

Roxas: You said we'd meet again, but when we did, we might not recognize each other.
(Roxas walks out of Sora)

Naminé: I did, didn't I?

Roxas: But I knew you.

Naminé: Mmm...it's strange.

Roxas: I think I understand. I see myself the way you remember me. And you see yourself the way I remember you.

Their appearance would be "saved" inside their new hearts and the hearts of those who are connected to them and remember.

 

[Ruran]

Question: If Roxas were to be completely restored, would he still have Sora's body, or even Ventus' looks? Could he make an appearance entirely his own (like Naminé)?

I suppose if he got a new body (which is partially his problem), he would be a normal person, and could theoretically become a Heartless and Nobody. The Nobody would then retain the appearance of Roxas' new body. It would not be Sora, because Roxas' new "him" body would be for Roxas only. Also, it would not be a Nobody of a Nobody, because Roxas would be a Somebody.

The goal in particular to save Roxas and have him exist is to give him his own body to exist in so once they get around that, no, Roxas should't need Sora's body. Seeing as how bodies are shaped by memories and the heart Roxas would probably still look the same because his current form is how he remembers himself. Though, perhaps they could alterhis look a bit to make him more distinguishablefrom Ven because apparently them fan-base finds them existing together while they look so similar strange *shrugs* but there isn't really a need for it.

Edit: Ninja'd

 

[Dreaded_Desire62]

Would he still be called Roxas since the X was added in once he joined the Organization and separate him from Sora as his Nobody just like Xigbar/Braig, Saix/Isa, Axel/Lea and so on, except Xemnas.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

Though, perhaps they could alterhis look a bit to make him more distinguishablefrom Ven because apparently them fan-base finds them existing together while they look so similar strange *shrugs* but there isn't really a need for it.

Like we need to cater to some numbskulls in the fanbase like that, lol, they also didn't alter anything regarding the Riku Replica and him and Riku were also completely distinguishable despite interacting more together than Roxas and Ven ever did (they never even met or had a single line of dialogue yet).

Those who can't cope to see Roxas and Ventus exist separately are often also those who still refuse to acknowledge that they are indeed different people and not the same person at all, despite that being confirmed by Nomura before Birth by Sleep was even released.

 

[Ruran]

Would he still be called Roxas since the X was added in once he joined the Organization and separate him from Sora as his Nobody just like Xigbar/Braig, Saix/Isa, Axel/Lea and so on, except Xemnas.

It would make things more confusing at this point to change his name really. Though it would be funny if Roxas tried to come up with a new name for him self.

Sora: I'll call you...Sora 2.

Roxas: Yeah-no, that's not going to happen.

Sora: Then what?

Roxas: You know a name we always wanted?

Sora *knowing look*

Roxas and Sora simultaneously: Tyrone! Yeaaaaahh! Yeeaaahhhh!

Like we need to cater to some numbskulls in the fanbase like that, lol, they also didn't alter anything regarding the Riku Replica and him and Riku were also completely distinguishable despite interacting more together than Roxas and Ven ever did (they never even met or had a single line of dialogue yet).

Those who can't cope to see Roxas and Ventus exist separately are often also those who still refuse to acknowledge that they are indeed different people and not the same person at all, despite that being confirmed by Nomura before Birth by Sleep was even released.

"We".

Which is why I'm of the belief that once fans see them together they'll get used to it and pay it no mind. Though to be fair, Ven was preemptive while Repliku was meant as a surprise to further minddiddly Sora and physically appear perfectly identical to Riku. It would kind of take away from the point if Repliku looked different lol.

(That's weird, I can't edit these posts together...)

 

[Sephiroth0812]

"We".

Which is why I'm of the belief that once fans see them together they'll get used to it and pay it no mind. Though to be fair, Ven was preemptive while Repliku was meant as a surprise to further minddiddly Sora and physically appear perfectly identical to Riku. It would kind of take away from the point if Repliku looked different lol.

(That's weird, I can't edit these posts together...)

Uh yeah, "them" from Square Enix, lol.
I probably should head to bed, it's already past midnight here again and apparently my concentration wanes. *ggg*.

Probably, and it'll finally shut up the senseless stuff about Roxas is Ventus, Roxas is Sora or Roxas is Vanitas-crap.
Granted.

Although even Repliku (who used to constantly wear the dark suit) was at least easily to differentiate by clothes.
Roxas and Ventus are not different in this manner, even if Roxas wears his normal clothes instead of the black coat they're still distinct from Ven's, as are their wristbands and voices (thanks to Jesse McCartney really giving a different spin to their voices).

So the only instances we would maybe get some confusion is when they are shown only by head and neck or having nothing on at all.
And as much as some fans may like to see the latter I doubt we'll ever see something like that, roflmao.

 

[Nayru's Love]

I'd think that most people seem to forget that when Roxas has a heart of his own he's no longer a Nobody, but a new person in his own right. So when he would be restored as an independent existence again he would become a normal boy, so the "Nobody of a Nobody"-analogy would no longer fit.

If you define a Nobody as "whatever's left behind by the heart," then Roxas would still classify as a Nobody. Regardless of whether or not he had a heart from the start, he was born in the Realm of In-Between. No matter what, Roxas (and, by extension, all Nobodies that have developed hearts) will always relate to the element of Nothingness in some form that's exclusive to Nobodies.