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I hope, with the backwards compatibility, they're doing what PlayStation is doing where they still release games for both versions where the Switch 1 version has a "Switch 2 upgrade" or whatever.
PlayStation is doing that because the PS5 didn't move significant units until pretty much last year. Even now the install base is paltry compared to the PS4. I think the PS5 needs to pull a Mega Drive and just sit around for like 15 years.

Anyway, Nintendo will not have this problem, and there's no way they're gonna disincentivise people from buying Switch 2 games.

I do truly believe Sony committed to the upgrades for as long as they have because of the major availability issues the PS5 had, and I think Xbox's backwards compatibility offering made them feel like they had to put something out there. I don't think even they foresaw how much the SX would crash and burn tho lol
 

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The shitty leaker only acts for his own pleasure and self-satisfaction, not only is he not contributing to anyone’s benefit, he is incurring all sorts of opportunity losses, and has done nothing to be proud of in front of others. He is the worst of scum, so he should be covered in shit from head to toe and thrown out of the atmosphere… and then stop thinking and wander forever.

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felt a bit underwhelmed by the hardware reveal. it's not even to do with the fact that it got leaked in its entirety, its that nintendo thought 'Switch 2' would speak for itself, at least in its initial reveal. I suspect that the average Switch owner will probably think "why would I want this over my Switch which already gets the job done?". I think Nintendo was a bit overconfident that they could generate hype with how the system looks rather than what it can potentially do.

They'll turn it around in April most likely, but this did not make the strong first impression that the original did eight years ago.
 

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Agree. Hardware doesn't sell me on the console, software does, and they only showed the most obvious game in the reveal. I watched the video and thought it was very masturbatory of Nintendo. I was like "is that all?" by the end of it.

Just glad it's been revealed. Worst kept secret of the last 18 months.
 

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While I'm glad that the Switch 2 has been revealed so far the only thing selling this for me is the backwards compatibility. I'm not liking how flimsy that hinge is looking..
 

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felt a bit underwhelmed by the hardware reveal. it's not even to do with the fact that it got leaked in its entirety, its that nintendo thought 'Switch 2' would speak for itself, at least in its initial reveal. I suspect that the average Switch owner will probably think "why would I want this over my Switch which already gets the job done?". I think Nintendo was a bit overconfident that they could generate hype with how the system looks rather than what it can potentially do.

They'll turn it around in April most likely, but this did not make the strong first impression that the original did eight years ago.
They're basically just saying "yes, it exists" atm, especally after so many leaks they might as well get it over with. Come April the hype train begins in earnest.
 
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While I'm glad that the Switch 2 has been revealed so far the only thing selling this for me is the backwards compatibility. I'm not liking how flimsy that hinge is looking..
Joy-cons supposedly connect by electromagnets (the SL/SR buttons are metal). Nintendo wouldn't have gone that route if it didn't make them more stable.

Or were you talking about the kickstand?
 

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yeah this reveal was defo more of a “yo this thing exists okay? look at it! this is confirmation!” it’s almost exactly what the kh4 reveal was.

nintendo took this route with the switch 1 but it hardly hits as much as the switch 2 because:

1. the leaks, if you were keeping up with them
2. it doesn’t really show anything insanely new? the switch was a pretty unique concept back when it was revealed so there was a lot more oomph in its reveal trailer. the switch 2 doesn’t switch it up, pun entirely intended, because we’re basically just looking at a bigger switch with unknown specifications.

i also believe the trailer was intended to give third parties time to reveal their games for the system. but in about 2 months time, that’s when the real shit begins.

tldr, the switch 2 reveal was not intended to “wow” so if you don’t feel “wow’d”, don’t worry lol
 

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I'm surprised Nintendo's latest system is an actual, honest-to-God expansion of their previous one rather than something completely different with a whole new gimmick.
Well 3DS was both :p In any event, they've had the likes of Labo, Alarmo, Ring Fit, & Mario Kart Home Circuit during the Switch's life. They'll always come out with some weird thing later on.
 

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I'm surprised Nintendo's latest system is an actual, honest-to-God expansion of their previous one rather than something completely different with a whole new gimmick.
switch was way too successful for them to go back to the drawing board for something new. nintendo will find a way to introduce a new gimmick/feature for the successor (probably the joycon mouse thing) but making it a bigger, better switch was a no-brainer.

only god knows the number of times i’ve used my switch and went “man, i wish this thing was bigger and more powerful. i’d use it way more often!”
 

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a part of me cant fathom the switch 2 running all these games without a catch. they either must

- run well but look like ass
- run like ass but look well

im a bit reluctant to trust nintendo consoles for demanding third parties but im praying im proven wrong in april
 

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On the bright side, Starfield already runs and looks like ass, so they might as well have it on the Switch 2!
 
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a part of me cant fathom the switch 2 running all these games without a catch. they either must

- run well but look like ass
- run like ass but look well

im a bit reluctant to trust nintendo consoles for demanding third parties but im praying im proven wrong in april
[LONGWINDEDRAMBLE]The "catch" seems to be the magic-enchance-button-from-CSI made real that is DLSS. For the uninitiated, Deep Learning Super Sampling is an AI based upscaler made by Nvidia that takes an image and interprets what a higher res version of that image would look like & displays that. In essence, it allows computers to run games at a higher resolution than they would otherwise be capable of. Incidentally, Nvidia were also the makers of the chipset the 1st Switch used & thus are presumed to be behind NS2's hardware as well.

It's easy to imagine the most immediate benefit to DLSS being implemented on NS2. It is highly unlikely that a new Nintendo handheld at this point in time would be powerful enough on its own to support 4K. But 4K tvs are everywhere these days, thus having something that achieve that result (or at least close enough) would be a boon. I predict this will be the case for most 1st party titles: natively 1080p that's upscaled to 4K.

But IMO, things get more interesting if we were to lower those numbers a bit. Such as a hypothetical game that's running, let' say, 720p natively & is upscaled to 1080p. Or even more aggressively, 540p (Vita resolution) to 1080p. We've seen the Switch get a number of games above its weight class & the end results have varied greatly (E.G. Witcher 3, Doom Eternal, Nier Automata, Mortal Kombat 1). In theory, DLSS could help similar ports run much more smoothly this time around 3rd parties port a PS5-level games, scaled down the settings to make them fit, & the AI scales them right back up to something at least passable.

Naturally, Digital Foundry tested this very idea a couple of years ago with Control & the results are quite astounding:


It should be noted this was done with DLSS 2.0, whereas the rumors say NS2 is running 3.0. So the results should be even better. Maybe not everyone will agree with me on this, but I'm totally fine with KH4 being 1080p post-upscale on Switch 2 if it's as good as that above example.

Now I've been mainly talking about resolutions so far, but apparently DLSS also improves framerates too. I'm sure of how this works, but I'm guessing that since DLSS is doing the heavy lifting when it comes to resolutons, that frees up processing power that can be redirected elsewhere like FPS. Nvidia themselves have posted videos demonstrating this:


So higher res and FPS, what else does this magical elixir do? Well, possibly smaller file sizes for games too, by reducing the on-cart textures & later AI upscaling them. Thus allowing games to fit on smaller carts.

I know, it all sounds a little too good to be true. A single bit of software that just magically waves away all of Nintendo's technical shortcomings & makes it perfect for current gen ports. I'm skeptical myself of just how high end of a game can still be feasible. The best case scenario is NS2 is on the level of XB Series S, which is still a weaker current gen console to the point of giving devs headaches with supporting it. Ultimately it'll come down to a case by case basis. Like, I've heard the reason FF16 skipped XBox entirely was because of Series S. So basically that tells me NS2 will be a no-go for 16 as well. But, we have seen PS4/XB1 games ported to NS1, we can then safely assume NS2 will see similar cases of PS5/XBS ports. DLSS will make those ports run better by comparison. & that better performance may well encourage MORE ports.

The fact that Series S exists kinda works in Nintendo's favor. All XBS titles are mandated to support both Series X & S, none are allowed to just be X exclusive. As such, multiplatform games are all kinds restricted from being too cutting edge as they have to be pared down for XBSS, which likewise prevents them from being too advanced for NS2. It's not all that surprising that MS gung ho on NS2 because they literally don't have anything that's too advanced. Even the Indiana Jones game which is like their best looking one is viable.

& then there's the continuing support for PS4. Last year, half of all PlayStation users were still playing on PS4. EA ported Jefi Survivor to PS4 after it was originally a current gen exclusive, & last year's CoD still had a PS4 version. PS4 is refusing to die & that means there's still plenty of 3rd party support that can transfer from it to NS2.
 
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