New Major enemies of KH3

[Demon of Dawn]

Hey, I'm new here, so I thought I'd make my first thread on something I've been thinking about for awhile. We know that when one loses their heart to a heartless, the hearts is covered in darkness, and a heartless is created, and the body that remains is covered in nothingness, and a nobody is born.

But I've been thinking, when we face Xeanhort in KH1, he is called a heartless, yet he retains human form. As well, his nobody, Xemnas, retains a human form as well. At first, I thought it was because Xeanhort was strong enough in the powers of darkness that he could become a heartless, but alter his form so he can retain human form. But when I say that both Sora and Kairi had human looking nobodies, I was wondering how, if they were heartless, they could maintain human form without using darkness. Then it hit me, what if beings like Xeanhort, Sora, and Kairi weren't heartless at all, but a new being entirely. I have thus named these beings Neo-Nobodies.

So what is a Neo-Nobodie exactely, and how is it made? I believe that a Neo-Nobody is formed when one willing sacrifices their heart, rather than losing it to the heartless. We know that Xeanhort sacrificied his heart for power and memories, while Sora sacrificied his heart, as well as Kairi's, to save Kairi's life. So, what exactely is a Neo-Nobodie? I believe that a Neo-Nobodie is like a regular nobodie, a being without a heart, but because the person had controll over the loss of their heart, nothingness does not cover their body, and as such, does not take the form of a dusk or any other nobodie, but instead retains human form. Simply put, a nobodie without the power of nothingness.

This however leads to another question. If the body and soul of a person who sacrifices their heart, how does their heart retain human form? Simple, because a heartless didn't steal the heart, it is not covered in darkness, and thus a heartless isn't formed. I believe when the heart leaves, it searches for a subsitute vessel, but cannot bend the forces of light and dark because it doesn't have enough power to do so. Instead, it bends the most common substance known, nothingness. With the nothingness, the heart forms a substitute body and soul, but because the heart does not remeber the body in all entirety, it forms the body in a similar way to the original vessel, with a few minor differences. Because these beings however are covered in nothingness, they give off the scent of a nobodie, which doesn't have a heart, so they confuse themselves as a nobodie, but unlike other nobodies, show emotions. Since these beings have a heart, but a false vessel, I have felt fit to call these beings Lost Ones, which are lost hearts who bend the power of nothingness in order to live. Since all the members of Organization XIII are dead, I believe that the major group that proves as an obstacle towards Sora are the Neo-Nobodies of these Lost Ones (excluding Xeanhort and Sora, since Xeanhort was killed, while Sora gets back his heart).

Now I know there are many that might say that this is all opinion, and that I have no grounds to say this, but I will prove them wrong in advance. First off, for those that say Xeanhort had a heartless, let me ask you this. If that was true, than that means from KH1 and onwards, Sora was a heartless who wielded a keyblade, a keyblade of light for that matter, so unless his keyblade all of a sudden became a dark anti-weapon, how could he wield the keyblade? Also, for those that think that Roxas was Sora's nobody, let me ask you something. If Sora sacrificied his heart in Hollow Bastion, then Roxas would have been born is Hollow Bastion, and Sora's heartless would have been born in The End Of The World. Instead, Sora returns to human form in Hollow Bastion, and Roxas is formed in Twilight Town. If Roxas really was Sora's nobody, wouldn't he have formed in Hollow Bastion? And finally, for those who are just way to stuborn, may I point out that all of Organization XIII have different bodies than their somebodies. If they really were the remaining shell, left behind when the heart left, than wouldn't the body have the same form, without any differences?

 

[Apollo]

1) You did not really prove anything

2) Can you really prove that Roxas was not born in Hollow Bastion?

3)Sora never wielded the Keyblade as a heartless because he turned back to human.

 

[♫]

But I've been thinking, when we face Xeanhort in KH1, he is called a heartless, yet he retains human form. As well, his nobody, Xemnas, retains a human form as well. At first, I thought it was because Xeanhort was strong enough in the powers of darkness that he could become a heartless, but alter his form so he can retain human form. But when I say that both Sora and Kairi had human looking nobodies, I was wondering how, if they were heartless, they could maintain human form without using darkness. Then it hit me, what if beings like Xeanhort, Sora, and Kairi weren't heartless at all, but a new being entirely. I have thus named these beings Neo-Nobodies.

Bud, here's a flaw of yours.

In an Ansem Report (Im not sure which one) it stats that Xehanort had so much darkness in his heart, that he retained a human form when turned into a heartless. Sora didnt have a lot of darkness(even he has darkness within) so he turned into the lowest of heartless: a shadow. Kiari cant have a heartless, as she's a princess of hearts and she has no darkness within her.

2) Can you really prove that Roxas was not born in Hollow Bastion?

Kh2FM+ cutscene shows Roxas appearing on the grounds of Twilight Town. He was born(or appeared) there.

 

[JH]

The birth of Roxas will be covered in 358/2 Days. Although, it is already known he was born in Twilight Town.

 

[bwyu]

The birth of Roxas will be covered in 358/2 Days. Although, it is already known he was born in Twilight Town.

hhhmmm,i agree with you.i think roxas was born in twilight town........

 

[Demon of Dawn]

1) You did not really prove anything

2) Can you really prove that Roxas was not born in Hollow Bastion?

3)Sora never wielded the Keyblade as a heartless because he turned back to human.

First off, as I said, it was part opinion, so this was more of a theory for the new enemies for KH3. Secondly, we see a cutscene in KH2 FM+ that shows Roxas being born in Twilight Town, it is seen right after the fight between him in TWTNW. Finally, the part that he can not wield the keyblade as a heartless just strengthens my point. If he was human, then why would Roxas need to return to him, as DiZ states in Twilight Town. If Sora did indeed have a heart, then why would Roxas need to return to him, if all he is is a nobody with a false vessel? This just strangthens that Sora could not wield the keyblade, unless he was a being that was not influenced by darkness, or retained a human form, which is the basic sum up of my idea of a Neo-Nobody.

 

[*~NeoAdamus~*]

Roxas was born in Twilight Town. That's where he was before Xemnas found, and recruited him. Just aswell Namine was born in Castle Oblivion. Just because Sora unlocked his heart in hollow bastion doesn't mean that Namine and Roxas where born there

 

[Genocide]

What makes you assume that there's a new enemy in KH3?

 

[Apollo]

Finally, the part that he can not wield the keyblade as a heartless just strengthens my point. If he was human, then why would Roxas need to return to him, as DiZ states in Twilight Town. If Sora did indeed have a heart, then why would Roxas need to return to him, if all he is is a nobody with a false vessel? This just strangthens that Sora could not wield the keyblade, unless he was a being that was not influenced by darkness, or retained a human form, which is the basic sum up of my idea of a Neo-Nobody.

Did you read CHARGE's post at all?

Roxas needed to return to Sora so he could become whole again. It states it in the game dozens of times. Execpt the Princesses of hearts, every heart has darkness within it. Which means Sora had some influence by darkness thoughout the all the games, and he wielded the keyblade thoughout all the games.

 

[Demon of Dawn]

What makes you assume that there's a new enemy in KH3?

Think logically here. Would Square produce a new Kingdom Hearts and not add any new oppositions? Or would they leave the mystery of what happened to the somebodies of the members of Organization XIII un-answered? I think not.

 

[Apollo]

Think logically here. Would Square produce a new Kingdom Hearts and not add any new oppositions? Or would they leave the mystery of what happened to the somebodies of the members of Organization XIII un-answered? I think not.

Oh man I love when noobs act smart!

They could just come up with new nobodys.

 

[*~NeoAdamus~*]

we dont need the info of the organizations somebodies because it's not really relevant. As far as new oppositions, maybe, maybe not simply for the fact that enemies in KH3 may be heartless, nobodies and the enemies of BBS returning

 

[big don mega]

Think logically here. Would Square produce a new Kingdom Hearts and not add any new oppositions? Or would they leave the mystery of what happened to the somebodies of the members of Organization XIII un-answered? I think not.

to your first question- it's as possible that they would add a new enemy, as it is that they wouldn't
and you second question-how does that make sense, PMF asked what makes you think there will be new enemies in 3, not what makes you think there will be a third game

 

[Demon of Dawn]

Did you read CHARGE's post at all?

Roxas needed to return to Sora so he could become whole again. It states it in the game dozens of times. Execpt the Princesses of hearts, every heart has darkness within it. Which means Sora had some influence by darkness thoughout the all the games, and he wielded the keyblade thoughout all the games.

Sure, they said a bunch of times that Roxas had to return to Sora, but did they ever explain why? No, they didn't, they just said he had to return, and assumed it was the right thing, just like they assumed that Xeanhort in KH1 was Ansem the Wise, except corrupt. The entire being of Xeanhort is a mystery, one that at times seems like the answer is clear, but is then shot down right after wards. This is my theory of what he really is. Also, as for the wielding of the keyblade while influenced by dark, did you not read what I said earlier? If he was corrupted by darkness, he wouldn't be wielding the kingdom key, but something like Riku's keyblade at Hollow Bastion. The fact that it didn't change shows that he isn't corrupt with darkness, an attribute usually found in the heartless, as well as villians. Since no one would agree that Sora is a heartless, and since Sora's acts are anything but that of a villian, it would be safe to say he isn't corrupt like a heartless, but at the same time is missing a vital attribute towrds being completely human, a heart.

 

[♫]

Sure, they said a bunch of times that Roxas had to return to Sora, but did they ever explain why? No, they didn't, they just said he had to return, and assumed it was the right thing, just like they assumed that Xeanhort in KH1 was Ansem the Wise, except corrupt. The entire being of Xeanhort is a mystery, one that at times seems like the answer is clear, but is then shot down right after wards. This is my theory of what he really is. Also, as for the wielding of the keyblade while influenced by dark, did you not read what I said earlier? If he was corrupted by darkness, he wouldn't be wielding the kingdom key, but something like Riku's keyblade at Hollow Bastion. The fact that it didn't change shows that he isn't corrupt with darkness, an attribute usually found in the heartless, as well as villians. Since no one would agree that Sora is a heartless, and since Sora's acts are anything but that of a villian, it would be safe to say he isn't corrupt like a heartless, but at the same time is missing a vital attribute towrds being completely human, a heart.

*Sigh* DiZ, the one that had Sora encaspulated in the CoM was too selfish to accept that Roxas could take his revenge on Org. XIII. He wanted Sora, not a nobody(Roxas) to destroy Org. XIII. DiZ chose Sora, not Roxas. That's the reason that Roxas had to return to Sora.

:closedeyes:

 

[Apollo]

Sure, they said a bunch of times that Roxas had to return to Sora, but did they ever explain why? No, they didn't, they just said he had to return, and assumed it was the right thing, just like they assumed that Xeanhort in KH1 was Ansem the Wise, except corrupt. The entire being of Xeanhort is a mystery, one that at times seems like the answer is clear, but is then shot down right after wards. This is my theory of what he really is. Also, as for the wielding of the keyblade while influenced by dark, did you not read what I said earlier? If he was corrupted by darkness, he wouldn't be wielding the kingdom key, but something like Riku's keyblade at Hollow Bastion. The fact that it didn't change shows that he isn't corrupt with darkness, an attribute usually found in the heartless, as well as villians. Since no one would agree that Sora is a heartless, and since Sora's acts are anything but that of a villian, it would be safe to say he isn't corrupt like a heartless, but at the same time is missing a vital attribute towrds being completely human, a heart.

So you are just igorning what Charge said because you know that beat you?

Are you saying Sora does not have a heart?

You don't prove anything do you? You just start to blab on and on about somthing else.

 

[*~NeoAdamus~*]

Roxas had to return to Sora because that was his body and soul, and ATW needed him to take down the organization. What else beyond that do you want. Sora was an active force dismembered by Namine. Not only that but his memories intermingled with that of Roxas. Sora may have not needed his nobody but Roxas at the words of ATW shouldn't have been an active force alone. Nobodies are corrupter's of worlds just as heartless are. They aren't meant to exist but as a whole of the being they derived from

 

[Demon of Dawn]

to your first question- it's as possible that they would add a new enemy, as it is that they wouldn't
and you second question-how does that make sense, PMF asked what makes you think there will be new enemies in 3, not what makes you think there will be a third game

For the first point, if they kept the same enemies, WITHOUT adding any new enemies, then would it be as engaging as the other KH's? If there is no new enemy for us to learn about, then is there any real motivation to continue on? If we have seen all the enemies there are to see and learn, then the KH universe wouldn't be as interesting or satisfying as it is now. Also, for the second point, if you read my Organization theory, then you would now that the previous lives of Organization XIII, as well as their bodies after they lose their hearts, in turn describes the new possible enemies for KH3.

 

[Apollo]

Yah but none of that is important because your theory for the new enemies got killed! Face it you lose! You don't know that? Mario kept the same enemies for years and look how that worked out.

 

[big don mega]

well if they do explain there somebodies, it will probably be in BbS or in 358/2 days. and i would prefer to stay with just heartless and nobodies. it keeps the story simple without having to go through the whole point of explaining whatever about the new enemies and why sora didn't run into them during his adventure and etc.