Namine

[DropDistance]

Was it ever explained as to why Namine has the blond hair/resemblances to Ven? Is it due to a link to Ventus? I know she's made from Sora's body and soul (at least I thought, but I also heard she was made from literally nothing). Also, if she was made from Sora's body and soul, how can one body and soul form two nobodies? (Roxas and Namine)

 

[LedxirnSimon]

Was it ever explained as to why Namine has the blond hair/resemblances to Ven? Is it due to a link to Ventus? I know she's made from Sora's body and soul (at least I thought, but I also heard she was made from literally nothing). Also, if she was made from Sora's body and soul, how can one body and soul form two nobodies? (Roxas and Namine)

She was created from literally nothing and is enigma of the series.

It is hypnotized that a nobody of a princess of heart could be created using the body of another person if their heart took refuge of the person's body until they leave the person's body to return to their respective bodies.

 

[Oracle Spockanort]

Was it ever explained as to why Namine has the blond hair/resemblances to Ven? Is it due to a link to Ventus? I know she's made from Sora's body and soul (at least I thought, but I also heard she was made from literally nothing). Also, if she was made from Sora's body and soul, how can one body and soul form two nobodies? (Roxas and Namine)

Namine is born from Kairi's heart leaving Sora's body, and what Namine took from Sora was very tiny. Yes, the blond is theorized to be caused by Ven but, as most things go in this series, there is no actual concrete proof of this.

 

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If you think about it Namine would have to come from nothing because Soras body made Roxas right? That raises the question of what type of body/form Sora had for a short time.

 

[Samhain]

Sora had no body.

He was a walking heart from the end of KH1 - before reuniting with Roxas

See: Ansem SoD as the only other who was a "walking heart"

 

[Sephiroth0812]

If you think about it Namine would have to come from nothing because Soras body made Roxas right? That raises the question of what type of body/form Sora had for a short time.

It's indeed one of the biggest mysteries of the series, not even the glossary of DDD sheds much more light on this particular issue:

Not long after Sora was born, his heart connected with that of a boy named Ventus. Ventus's heart had been torn apart, but Sora saved him by sharing a part of his own.
Several years later, three young Keyblade wielders—Terra, Aqua, and Ventus—found themselves embroiled in a battle with Master Xehanort. In their travels, Master Aqua and Terra both met Sora and his best friend, Riku. Sora promised Aqua to keep Riku on the right path, while Riku made a secret promise with Terra. Not long after, Terra became a vessel for Master Xehanort, and Aqua vanished into the realm of darkness. As for Ventus, he shattered his own heart to protect his friends and returned to Sora's heart, where he sleeps to this day.
Years later, after Sora got older, he unknowingly hid his friend Kairi's heart inside his own to protect it. When Sora became a Heartless, he also inadvertently gave form to Kairi's Nobody, Naminé, while creating his own Nobody, Roxas.
Another being was also created: a replica named Xion. Xion was formed from Sora's memories of Kairi, and she had the power to copy Roxas.
Ultimately, Xion and Naminé realized their place and guided the pieces back where they belonged; Naminé returned to Kairi's heart, and Xion and Roxas returned to Sora's.
Many hearts have touched Sora's, and those connections remain—but their stories end in sadness, a sadness in which they still sleep.

The only information it gives is that Sora "inadvertently" gave Naminé a form. What that form exactly was and how it functioned (as Naminé clearly had a physical presence indistinguishable from a normal body, otherwise no one could have touched her like Marluxia did once or she couldn't have felt pain as when Larxene slaps her aside) is anyone's guess.

 

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@Samhain: You do realize your on my ignore list right? That means I can't see or wanna see your posts. (in the off chance you were "answering" my question)

It's indeed one of the biggest mysteries of the series, not even the glossary of DDD sheds much more light on this particular issue:


The only information it gives is that Sora "inadvertently" gave Naminé a form. What that form exactly was and how it functioned (as Naminé clearly had a physical presence indistinguishable from a normal body, otherwise no one could have touched her like Marluxia did once or she couldn't have felt pain as when Larxene slaps her aside) is anyone's guess.

They really need to shed a little light on that then. If beings can just form from nothing then what's the point of the heart, soul, body system?
Is that basically what Sora done in KH1 then? Kairi formed him a body from nothing?

 

[Dandelion]

They really need to shed a little light on that then. If beings can just form from nothing then what's the point of the heart, soul, body system?
Is that basically what Sora done in KH1 then? Kairi formed him a body from nothing?

I know this drives people crazy, but the vagueness regarding this is one of my favorite parts of Kingdom Hearts.

It's like Rafiki says in Kingdom Hearts II:

Sora: Hmm, I don't know.
Rafiki: You're right, you don't. But you do know it is upsetting. And it is
upsetting the hearts of everybody in the Pride Lands. You may not know what it
is, but it still IS. This world, it is full of many such things. And these things, a king must face

We're dealing with a science here that revolves around feelings and magic. Sometimes shit just happens. Namine is an anomaly, she really shouldn't exist but was created out of an impossible situation. When things that have never been done before happen, then there are also outcomes that occur that you can't prepare for.

This is a recurring theme in the series: Sora connected with Ven moments after being born, Vanitas's face changed as a result, Kairi accidentally touched Aqua's Keyblade, Eraqus fell into Terra, Kairi's pure heart restored Sora, Namine was born when a princess's heart left a body giving way to darkness. It goes on and on, and it's Kingdom Hearts's saving grace, it keeps it from being too predictable.

 

[ThePumpkinQueen]

I always put nobodys as this.

A person is a person, a heartless when they loose their heart, and a nobody is formed between them. Thats waht i think. I thought namine was kairi's nobody. I could be wrong. but its the simplier way to see things. which is why roxas and namine were able to become "whole" again when they merged with kairi and sora. They got sepreated whent heir hearts were taken, and when the hearts returned to the body it left the empty shells. i think the nobodys are left over emotions etc of the owners. they are one in teh same. neither is complete without the other. Not "Whole" like xenmas says when you meet him in hollow bastion in one point two.


and for the kairi giving sora his body back. I always thought he got it back because she reminded him who he really was, which pushed the darkness away and they created, or brought back his body. its hard to explain

I think everyone has a heartless , and anoby. I think NObodys are fractions of someones heart or emotions left behindw hen turned into a heartless. where as they don't have "Hearts" of their own they still feel things because they are remnents. (Obviously they feel they just dont feel the same way as those with hearts or axel and roxas would not of been able to really bond)

 

[Dandelion]

^ Nobodies are the body left behind when a person becomes a Heartless. The process usually doesn't begin until the heart becomes a heartless, which is why for example Ventus didn't become a nobody or why Kairi didn't become one when her heart left her body.

A lot of what you've said is actually kind of counter to what we've learned i the series. You're right about some things though. Nobodies are capable of feeling things, they can and often do grow replacement hearts.

The problem here is that because Kairi can't make a heartless she shouldn't be able to make a Nobody. But there were various things at work here

 

[ThePumpkinQueen]

I wasn't saying they were nobodys, but are connected to their nobodies . kairi's heart was in soras right? so namine is still her nobody, just formed from sora since hew as the vessal of her heart.

It makes mroe sense in my head then when I try to explain it. I've played all but DDD. So unless we learn a lot in that game. I must of missed somthing if what i said is counter.

Hopfully as the novels are released, and i read the manga, things might make a tad bit more sense.

 

[Dandelion]

I wasn't saying they were nobodys, but are connected to their nobodies . kairi's heart was in soras right? so namine is still her nobody, just formed from sora since hew as the vessal of her heart.

Well, yes, Nobodies and their somebodies are connected. Generally though, this connection doesn't influence Nobodies as much as it did Roxas and Sora and Namine and Kairi, because unlike those cases Nobodies coexist with their Heartless.

But you are correct, Namine is Kairi's Nobody and that is why she returned to Kairi. Still shouldn't exist, but she does. Namine wasn't made from Kairi's body and that's what Nobodies are. Hence the problem being discussed here, you see?

It makes mroe sense in my head then when I try to explain it. I've played all but DDD. So unless we learn a lot in that game. I must of missed somthing if what i said is counter.

I strongly urge you to at least read the script or watch a playthrough of DDD, we do learn a lot about the nature of the heart and where the story is going.

Hopfully as the novels are released, and i read the manga, things might make a tad bit more sense.

Probably not, actually. The game likes to keep things like this vague on purpose.

 

[ThePumpkinQueen]

Well I'm getting the game from a freind next week. was supposed to get it this week but weather . but with what i've played so far, thats what i got out of all that mess that is nobodys .

*edit* off topic. but when did i go from being a nobody to the rank Heartless without noticing tell just now. x.x

 

[Taochan]

I would just like the games, or even Nomura in an interview, to explain why Namine needed to return to Kairi in the first place. Roxas had to go back to make Sora a complete person, but as far as we know... Namine literally took nothing from Kairi other than her appearance. Which, brings up the question of "why did she need to return anyway??" If he could throw an answer or a hint towards that, I'd be extremely content.

 

[ThePumpkinQueen]

Taochan. In the second one. I thought she returned to Kairi so she would never have to be away from roxas, since kairi and sora were close she knew she would be close to Roxas. I think. But its clear in the scene when they mirge that namine's focus was mainly roxas. I can't explain what i saw. Love maybe? or similar emotion since they are nobodies.

Namine said somthing about them being together and beinga ble to see each other once they merged as long as sora and kairi were together or somthing like that. I need to replay the game but that scene stuck in my head. cause i thought it was sweet.

 

[Dandelion]

I would just like the games, or even Nomura in an interview, to explain why Namine needed to return to Kairi in the first place. Roxas had to go back to make Sora a complete person, but as far as we know... Namine literally took nothing from Kairi other than her appearance. Which, brings up the question of "why did she need to return anyway??" If he could throw an answer or a hint towards that, I'd be extremely content.

I've thought about this, and though there's no confirmation of it I think the answer is pretty simple: she didn't think she had a better option.

Namine didn't know that she was capable of having her own heart and her own identity, and in her own words she thought she was doomed to fade into the darkness. She wasn't aware of the recompletion process to my knowledge and even if she had been there was no good outcome for her. DiZ wanted to destroy her, and the Organization was hot on her trail.

It's possible that she stayed out of the limelight in order to lay low but I think her plan was to merge with Kairi so she wouldn't fade into nothingness. Not that she had an alternative plan. She began to merge back into Kairi the moment she touched her, but forced herself to stay long enough to make sure Kairi was safe. There's a reason we don't see her in a physical form after Riku is unhooded.

Basically:Namine had multiple targets on her back and thought that if she were struck down it would truly be the end of her. Merging with Kairi wasn't necessary in terms of plot, no one ever said she had to return like Roxas did. It was probably her best choice.
Even if this hadn't been the case, just by the nature of her existence, she began to merge with Kairi the moment she rescued her from the cell so it didn't matter.

 

[Taochan]

I've thought about this, and though there's no confirmation of it I think the answer is pretty simple: she didn't think she had a better option.

Namine didn't know that she was capable of having her own heart and her own identity, and in her own words she thought she was doomed to fade into the darkness. She wasn't aware of the recompletion process to my knowledge and even if she had been there was no good outcome for her. DiZ wanted to destroy her, and the Organization was hot on her trail.

It's possible that she stayed out of the limelight in order to lay low but I think her plan was to merge with Kairi so she wouldn't fade into nothingness. Not that she had an alternative plan. She began to merge back into Kairi the moment she touched her, but forced herself to stay long enough to make sure Kairi was safe. There's a reason we don't see her in a physical form after Riku is unhooded.

Basically:Namine had multiple targets on her back and thought that if she were struck down it would truly be the end of her. Merging with Kairi wasn't necessary in terms of plot, no one ever said she had to return like Roxas did. It was probably her best choice.
Even if this hadn't been the case, just by the nature of her existence, she began to merge with Kairi the moment she rescued her from the cell so it didn't matter.

So, let's say that's the case. Why go back to Kairi and not Sora? She took more from Sora than she did from Kairi as far as we know.

 

[Blackdrazon]

She got to Kairi first, I suppose (I'm partially of the opinion that while she may have known what she was doing, the fact that they started merging the moment they touched probably came as a surprise to her).

Maybe she identified more with Kairi, or with being a girl, and so made the choice herself?

Mostly though, this whole idea of her taking more from Sora stinks of a last minute realization, a problem of having a plan around the time of CoM but having ruined the setup by KH2. I bet Namine was conceived of being Kairi's Nobody from the get-go, was always meant to re-merge with her, and once Nomura realized Namine would have to have been a byproduct of Sora, the plan was already set. Maybe he hasn't realized at all. So you would need an interview to answer your question, but only because the answer is going to be bullshit empowered through word of god.

 

[MegaRay]

I like how everybody is making complex theores and forgetting one single thing,
Do namine know she's made of Sora's body? I dont think so. I dont think DIZ filled her with enough information.
All she know is that she's Kairi's "shadow"

 

[Dandelion]

So, let's say that's the case. Why go back to Kairi and not Sora? She took more from Sora than she did from Kairi as far as we know.

Namine's image was shaped by Kairi's heart. She's not Sora's Nobody, she wasn't born from Sora's body the same way Roxas was. By being connected to him, she has powers over his memories and those connected to him, but her physical self is all Kairi, and I think that's what counts. Namine touched Sora couple of times in CoM, and nothing happened. She can't return to him because she didn't really take anything from him. Even her powers over him are more of an echo of Kairi's presence within him.