Maybe a mixture of both. Seeing as how Sora released his heart along with Kairi's.
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Maybe a mixture of both. Seeing as how Sora released his heart along with Kairi's.
possibly when he was falling into darkness?
Well, when Sora stabbed himself with the Keyblade of People's Hearts, his heart went to darkness, Kairi's to her own body and Ven's went to create Roxas.
So, technically, all three could have played a role in the creation of Namine. We don't know though.
So, technically, all three could have played a role in the creation of Namine. We don't know though.
What surprises me is that even though Sora has these three hearts BEFORE the Keyblade of People's Hearts and then he has the exact same power AFTER as well. His power should've been cut into a fourth of what it had been. Since he loses Ven's heart, Kairi's heart and his body.
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All three did play a role in Namine's creation.
Her face and the fact she was absorbed into Kairi - indication of Kairi's role in the mess.
Her blonde hair - indication she was also affected by Ven since all the human-shaped Nobodies we ran into so far were exact replicas of their Somebodies as least color-wise (Ienzo's age orz). Seeing how Ven's why Roxas is blonde and paler, we can surmise that's also why Namine has those colors.
Her powers being over Sora's Memories first and foremost - Indication of Sora's part in the mess.
Though the more I think about it, the more she could've gotten most of the Sora bits through Ven as proxy, derp.
Kairi's Heart never contributed to Sora's powers, she was just 'staying over' for a while. That leaves us with Sora and Ven. Now while personally I'm a firm believer Sora was utilizing Ven's Wielding abilities from when he first got the KK to when the KK properly chose him (otherwise why the hell would the thing even bother with him, what with him not going through the Rite of Succession ceremony?) it doesn't really matter whether or not Ven's Heart contributed to the mess. Be it because he had Ven's Heart or because he was Sora's Nobody, it's a stated fact that Roxas had half of Sora's strength. Only a part but a part nonetheless of why Diz wanted to get Roxas back to him - more firepower.
Looking at COM, to me, seems to be like a massive league from KH1 sora. Because of the advance battle system and the seems less difficulty of the organization. So to me his strength increased when his heart was as free as can be.
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I'm not sure. For a great part of the game the Org held back against him, and while it's mostly the game system making it seem otherwise, he had Donald and Goofy with him for a great part of the game.
I think the Larxene fight's a good example, despite all the emotional stress the plot at that time gave. Sora was about to be offed by Larxene but then Donald and Goofy came along. I dare say a lot of it just had to do with Sora having a lot of personal motivation, something that at the end of KH1 became more "ok so I'm the Keyblade Master, let's save the universe :V *chases Riku*".
But what I was thinking is that Sora stayed same level, Strength, Defence and Magic. That was more I was thinking of. I know that it stated that Roxas had half of Sora's power. Because being his body and all.
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.........you're actually talking game-play mechanics? Those are most likely not going to change unless it's like, temporary. You're about to hit the final boss, you don't go and cut your hero's stats in half.
That's before we get to the whole 'retcon' issue. I doubt that even if they had an idea of what Roxas was to be and even for him TO be, that they planned it out that carefully.
Yeah I know I was just thinking.
Because these things are what come from Sora's heart alone, and that he retained.
Roxas started out as a being on the level of a newborn in the body of a 14-year old. The half of Sora's power wasn't fully used until later.
And I sincerely doubt that Ven's heart had much influence beside the appearance-thingys Smile already mentioned, considering this heart is an injured trainwreck that can't even keep its own body moving => hence Ven's coma after the x-blade got smashed, and need to take a nap inside Sora's heart in order to rest and endure the pain somewhat.
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@Smile: That comes on top of that. I don't know for sure, but wasn't Roxas originally planned in early scripts to be a character related to Sora who guards him while he sleeps?
She's the most anomalous character in the series so far imo, I wouldn't be surprised if they did some kind of retcon to straighten out what she is.
Kairi did not need any memory repairing, she was doing just fine.
She didn't lose her body, it was comatose, she didn't lose her heart, it was in Sora.
So...why did Namine need to go back to her?
Kairi did not need any memory repairing, she was doing just fine.
She didn't lose her body, it was comatose, she didn't lose her heart, it was in Sora.
So...why did Namine need to go back to her?
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Yeah, working with Diz or something and fighting Axel. Don't remember the details though.
They actually wouldn't really need to 'retcon' it. They never explained what she was to begin with. Even AtW admits that he has no idea what she really is, and mostly called her a Nobody since she was born out of the process Roxas - a 'proper' Nobody by make-up - was.
Uh, she actually did lose her Heart. It being inside Sora and not as a Heartless are two different things completely.
Now just to wait until it's confirmed XH used his dormant Keyblade abilities to fish her Heart out. Alternatively, manipulated Riku into it somehow.
Otherwise, for a PoH to lose her Heart? It's either this ^ or she lost it despite being a PoH which comes to show a possible RIDICULOUS WEAKNESS OF HEART.
The affiliation. Despite the powers that were active when Namine was born, at the end of the day it's Kairi whose Sense of Self shaped Namine. That seems to indicate that her 'affinity' with Kairi was the highest.
That is to say, however - this is why she went back to Kairi of all people.
A lot of people cling to the 'Namine needed to go back' but look at the circumstances under which she disappeared - there truly was no need for it - it was a direct result of her coming into contact with Kairi when she and Riku rescued Kairi.
Still waiting for Namine to be some weird Mind-being.
I wonder if they will tie Namine through Kairi to Aqua.
Xemnas is the body of terra who passed on the keyblade to Riku and whose heartless took over Riku's body.
Roxas is the body of Sora with ven's heart giving him Ven's appearance.
Namine is a 'nobody' of Kairi and................
Of the three biggest nobodies in name and story, 2 have some connection to the BBS crew. Aqua gave Kairi as magic spell for protection and Namine was born in Castle oblivion which Aqua created. I think they could try to connect Namnie to Aqua somehow.
Xemnas is the body of terra who passed on the keyblade to Riku and whose heartless took over Riku's body.
Roxas is the body of Sora with ven's heart giving him Ven's appearance.
Namine is a 'nobody' of Kairi and................
Of the three biggest nobodies in name and story, 2 have some connection to the BBS crew. Aqua gave Kairi as magic spell for protection and Namine was born in Castle oblivion which Aqua created. I think they could try to connect Namnie to Aqua somehow.
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Namine's already tied somewhat directly to Aqua, seeing how Aqua created CO and Namine's born there.
But I seriously doubt it. Unless they pull something like Grass's theory about how Namine's the embodiment of the spell Aqua cast on Kairi, it's not like Kairi and Aqua themselves have too great a bond for Namine to utilize.
See above comment. Terranort's Heartless took over Riku not necesarilly because of anything that happened in the past, but like MX did with Terra himself - he utilizied Riku's Darkness in order to invade his body. Xemnas was created a good decade before. The only bond the two had back then was that Terra Wielderfied Riku.
Roxas was utilizing the bond Sora and Ven's Heart had and in fact HAD Ven's Heart which escaped into Sora.
Kairi and Aqua, until some insane, ridiculous plot curve-ball hits us in the face, don't have anything of that sort. I'd much sooner blame Namine being such a bizarre existence on Sora and Ven than Aqua.
I think I'd like to believe what Nomura said about Aqua when he was worried she wouldn't be well accepted because she's not related to anyone. It ties with that phantom quote about not all of TAV being related to all of SRK. Terra's bond with Riku comes not just from Wielderfying him, but 1) the intent behind the act, 2) his eventual actions as Xehanort's Heartless.
If they do tie Namine to Aqua somehow, I fear it'll be only to somehow tie Kairi into the plot as the girl's severely lacking connections at this point herself.
Didnt diz say she was a witch
A witch with control over Sora's memories.
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It was to degrade and mock Namine. And the Org used the term first.
Yeah Diz was trying to bring Namine down. The Organization though... That just reminded me. Something special about Namine is that she doesn't specialise in a weapon. So does this mean she is Nobody. All of the humanlike ones weild a weapon.
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Maybe because she can modify Sora's memories.
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