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Edit: What we know about KH. I decided to stuff it here so I don't have to remember stuff when I edit my theory next time.

Normal anything:

In Kingdom Hearts, a person is formed through a Heart, a Body, and a Soul. Sadly I have to assume everything in these parts because the story doesn't really give much help in these sectors.

Heart:

The Heart acts like a container for the good and bad of a person, the character, the nature, or whatever you want to call it. When a heart is leaning towards the end of each spectrum (a lot of light or dark), it can take form, and not look like a heart anymore. Ok, hard to understand, but later when you read my heartless assumption, you see that I assume the heart gets tainted by darkness when the Heartless take it. So, when the heart is first released, it looks like a heart, but eventually after leaning towards darkness too far it turns into a form (heartless). The further into darkness the heart is, the more normal the form (eg compare Shadows with Ansem). However, hearts on the light side also have a form (Kairi's appearance to Sora throghout the story, and Sora having a normal form even though his body and soul is gone). Hearts at extreme ends also have the ability to rationalize, like a soul.

This helps to explain some stuff, even though I suppose I'll get flamed for this.

Body:

A container housing the heart and the soul, giving it form. Basically, think of the body containing the heart and the soul within it.

Soul:

The part of a person that controls rational thought. That's why you see Nobodies can think and have a goal, while Heartless simply seek their base desires. People might argue about the people who control the heartless but aren't exactly heartless (Captain Hook, Riku at first, Jafar, Maleficent etc), but remember, they only control them, they haven't turned into a heartless yet.

Heartless:

Beings that take hearts from others, and contain darkness, and replicate by consuming the hearts of others. Well, I hope that part is obvious. Also, Heartless have hearts, unlike their namesake. I got help here, from another thread I made.

Heartless are the hearts.

Pureblood heartless are hearts corroded with darkness. The reason they don't RELEASE a heart is because the heart has become the Heartless itself.

Emblem Heartless are darkness that encases a heart. Meaning the darkness holds the captive heart within which is why it then releases it when it is defeated.

No matter how you look at it, the Heartless have hearts.

Thanks to Audo.

Ok, then now we go back to the part where Sora gets surrounded by darkness. He said he could feel himself falling into darkness, until Kairi brought him back with her light. Thus comes my first assumption:

When a heart is consumed by the Heartless, the Heartless amplify the tiny portion of darkness within the heart. The heart then turns entirely into darkness (pureblood) or, if the heart was taken by an emblem heartless, the darkness surrounds it, and turns the heart into one of their kind.

Now for nobodies.

Nobodies are a soul and a body. They normally gain memories lost when a person turns into a heartless. Only a strong heart can form a nobody.

Nobodies are capable of rational thought, fulfilling what the higher ups tell them to do (there's a heirachy within their system). They seek to gain their hearts back.

- In DI, Kairi's body was found intact, thus if a nobody was created on DI it didn't use neither a body nor a soul.

-In Hollow Bastion, when Sora stabbed himself with the keyblade, he created Roxas and Namine, both highly unstable nobody, because Roxas lacks memory and Namine lacks pretty much everything.

-DI was remade at End of the World, blah blah blah.

-Sora goes to Castle Oblivion, and his memories were removed by Namine (transcribed into drawings), so if anyone wanted to make any memory theories all the memories were all within the drawings, mostly. Because the memory is not lost, Namine managed to put it back together.

-Namine dumps him into a capsule for him to recover from what she did to him (thanks, Namine, seriously, thanks. God, wth was Jiminy Cricket thinking when he wrote that down)

-358/2 days events happen during that time.

-When the memory leaks out, she? cannot endure it? Might refer to Xion or someone else for all we know. Maybe Kairi?

-Saix says that either the annihilation of Roxas or the friendship between Axel and someone (possibly Xion?) was vital to the cause of the organisation

-Xion wonders how can 2 similar beings exist simultaneously, then Riku tells her to return to her true form (in the Trailer)

-Xion waves keyblade at Roxas and Axel.

-When memories stop returning, DiZ tells Riku to go after Xion.

-Kingdom Hearts 2 events start.

-Roxas can dual wield! Looks so much cooler than Xion.

-All the organization get pwned, and Sora is too dumb to understand anything they said until the King told him.

-Namine goes back into Kairi? (Well, for all you know, she might be nothing so can enter anything?) and Roxas into Sora

-Roxas' limited intelligence allows him to conclude that Namine is a Nobody, and that they didn't disappear because they're good, and they live happily ever after when they disappear back to DI..Not.

Yay.

Old Theory: (shown to be flawed)


Well, I've been thinking, and decided my Riku cultist theory just sucked. So a new theory, then.

I've replayed KH1 till the point where Namine and Roxas are supposed to be formed, and just watched the cutscene a few times.

Basically, Sora stabbed himself with that Keyblade that is not a Keyblade, Kairi's heart flew out and into Kairi, then the keyblade dissolved itself into the 6 hearts of the princesses and flew into the princesses. Sora then got engulfed in darkness, and turned into a shadow.

But first, before the theory can be explained, I have to talk about the normal person, Heartless and Nobody first.

Normal anything:

In Kingdom Hearts, a person is formed through a Heart, a Body, and a Soul. Sadly I have to assume everything in these parts because the story doesn't really give much help in these sectors.

Heart:

Assumption: The Heart acts like a container for the good and bad of a person, the character, the nature, or whatever you want to call it. When a heart is leaning towards the end of each spectrum (a lot of light or dark), it can take form, and not look like a heart anymore. Ok, hard to understand, but later when you read my heartless assumption, you see that I assume the heart gets tainted by darkness when the Heartless take it. So, when the heart is first released, it looks like a heart, but eventually after leaning towards darkness too far it turns into a form (heartless). The further into darkness the heart is, the more normal the form (eg compare Shadows with Ansem). However, hearts on the light side also have a form (Kairi's appearance to Sora throghout the story, and Sora having a normal form even though his body and soul is gone). Hearts at extreme ends also have the ability to rationalize, like a soul.

This helps to explain some stuff, even though I suppose I'll get flamed for this.

Body:

Assumption: A container housing the heart and the soul, giving it form. Basically, think of the body containing the heart and the soul within it.

Soul:

Assumption: The part of a person that controls rational thought. That's why you see Nobodies can think and have a goal, while Heartless simply seek their base desires. People might argue about the people who control the heartless but aren't exactly heartless (Captain Hook, Riku at first, Jafar, Maleficent etc), but remember, they only control them, they haven't turned into a heartless yet.

Heartless:

Beings that take hearts from others, and contain darkness, and replicate by consuming the hearts of others. Well, I hope that part is obvious. Also, Heartless have hearts, unlike their namesake. I got help here, from another thread I made.

Heartless are the hearts.

Pureblood heartless are hearts corroded with darkness. The reason they don't RELEASE a heart is because the heart has become the Heartless itself.

Emblem Heartless are darkness that encases a heart. Meaning the darkness holds the captive heart within which is why it then releases it when it is defeated.

No matter how you look at it, the Heartless have hearts.

Thanks to Audo.

Ok, then now we go back to the part where Sora gets surrounded by darkness. He said he could feel himself falling into darkness, until Kairi brought him back with her light. Thus comes my first assumption:

When a heart is consumed by the Heartless, the Heartless amplify the tiny portion of darkness within the heart. The heart then turns entirely into darkness (pureblood) or, if the heart was taken by an emblem heartless, the darkness surrounds it, and turns the heart into one of their kind.

Now for nobodies.

Nobodies are a soul and a body. They normally gain memories lost when a person turns into a heartless. Only a strong heart can form a nobody.

Nobodies are capable of rational thought, fulfilling what the higher ups tell them to do (there's a heirachy within their system). They seek to gain their hearts back.

Ok, now for the theory. Which, as it should be known, all assumptions, or most of it.

Firstly, a nobody should gain the memory slowly, or as others call it, a memory transfer. However, when Sora got back his heart, Roxas' memory transfer stopped and reversed. Thus, from this, I gain the assumption that:

Assumption: Memories are connected to the heart. When the heart falls into darkness, the memories move from the heart into the soul. It becomes a part of the soul itself.

With this assumption, we see that Roxas had minor transfer, but it stopped once Sora turned back from a Heartless into himself, since the heart was no longer tainted by darkness.

Now we go on to argue the part where everyone was arguing about: Namine.

Some say she's a nobody, some argue she is not. Personally, I think she is not. This is probably the part that will get me totally flamed.

See, the Princesses of Heart do not form nobodies naturally. When their hearts were removed from their body into the keyblade that Riku/Ansem used, their bodies were still there, contained within those vessels at the side. They do not spawn anywhere else as nobodies. This is further proven that Kairi's body still exists even though her heart is gone from her body and has seeked refuge in Sora. And no, you can't argue that it is simply because the Keyblade stops people turning into Nobodies, because when Sora stuck it into himself he still turned into a Nobody and a Heartless.

So, my Namine theory stems from the fact that the hearts were released from the Keyblade of darkness or whatever you want to call it. It is basically a container for the hearts, and when they are released, you can basically think of it as a heart being released from a body. The darkness within the keyblade formed a body, which then disappeared (since the body normally disappears, eg Sora), and the combined hearts of the princesses (which are quite similar, full of light, which is another assumption) formed the heart being released. So Namine was formed from there (heck, she doesn't even look like Kairi, why does everyone think so?), with a body of darkness and light left over from the release. She has form since the heart that formed her was strong. The two extremeties of light and darkness allows her to be able to think, since basically she is both at the far end of darkness and the far end of light.

Now since Namine is part dark part light, she is officially twilight! Yay. Yeah, I guess the major flame portion is kind of over.

So Namine can control Sora's memory, because she has part of Sora within her, and because her body does not actually "exist", also coupled with the fact that she was formed from Princesses of Hearts' hearts. She is a "witch". Ok, I can't really explain this part all that perfectly, it still doesn't answer the question, but whatever.

By clearing this up, I'm still sticking with the "Roxas and Namine were created at the same time" thing.

Because of that, it is safe to assume (if the rest of my assumption is by any means accurate) that Xion was the nobody formed from Kairi's heart being released from Sora. Because Xion has very little of Sora's soul (considering the majority went to Roxas), the memory flow from Sora's heart into his soul also meant that some memories moved into Xion. However, when Sora took back his memories, he only took it back from Roxas (his natural nobody). This is simply and assumption though, but it helps explain why Xion has Sora's memory, because Sora never took it back, and also explains when Namine says that she would not be able to endure the loss of memory, because her soul is, in large, made up of Sora's residual memories, and it would mean that her soul would pretty much be reduced to nothing.

Ok, then, so that clears things up.

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Hope there can be some decent arguments to this, this theory is obviously flawed, but I can't really see, although I do feel that it is.
 
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Basically, Sora stabbed himself with that Keyblade that is not a Keyblade,
Except it is a Keyblade. Not a natural one, it was made by artificial means and lack a Keychain, but it's still a Keyblade.

Sadly I have to assume everything in these parts because the story doesn't really give much help in these sectors.
Maybe not the story itself, but the Ansem Reports from both games and Another Report do have information on these things.

Heart:

Assumption: The Heart acts like a container for the good and bad of a person, the character, the nature, or whatever you want to call it. When a heart is leaning towards the end of each spectrum (a lot of light or dark), it can take form, and not look like a heart anymore. Ok, hard to understand, but later when you read my heartless assumption, you see that I assume the heart gets tainted by darkness when the Heartless take it. So, when the heart is first released, it looks like a heart, but eventually after leaning towards darkness too far it turns into a form (heartless). The further into darkness the heart is, the more normal the form (eg compare Shadows with Ansem). However, hearts on the light side also have a form (Kairi's appearance to Sora throghout the story, and Sora having a normal form even though his body and soul is gone). Hearts at extreme ends also have the ability to rationalize, like a soul.
Eh, I mostly agree with all this. Except for maybe the Heart containing a person's good/bad, rather, it is the person's good/bad.

Body:

Assumption: A container housing the heart and the soul, giving it form. Basically, think of the body containing the heart and the soul within it.
By now, that's been well established.

Soul:

Assumption: The part of a person that controls rational thought. That's why you see Nobodies can think and have a goal, while Heartless simply seek their base desires. People might argue about the people who control the heartless but aren't exactly heartless (Captain Hook, Riku at first, Jafar, Maleficent etc), but remember, they only control them, they haven't turned into a heartless yet.
Again, this is known fact.

Heartless:

Beings that take hearts from others, and contain darkness, and replicate by consuming the hearts of others. Well, I hope that part is obvious. Also, Heartless have hearts, unlike their namesake. I got help here, from another thread I made.
Well, they kind of are Darkness, not containing it. They are the Darkness of a corrupted Heart given a physcial manifestation.

When a heart is consumed by the Heartless, the Heartless amplify the tiny portion of darkness within the heart. The heart then turns entirely into darkness (pureblood) or, if the heart was taken by an emblem heartless, the darkness surrounds it, and turns the heart into one of their kind.
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That... May or may not be established fact. But that's how I know and see it.

Ok, now for the theory. Which, as it should be known, all assumptions, or most of it.

Firstly, a nobody should gain the memory slowly, or as others call it, a memory transfer. However, when Sora got back his heart, Roxas' memory transfer stopped and reversed. Thus, from this, I gain the assumption that:
Or perhaps it's instantaneous, and Sora suddenly regaining his sense of self stole back those memories.

Fact: Memories are connected to the heart.
Fix'd.

When the heart falls into darkness, the memories move from the heart into the soul. It becomes a part of the soul itself.
Obviously delving into to humanoid Heartless here, but wouldn't it seem that Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, also had memories of his past life? But anyway, taking up the slack of what's been lost? That happens in the real world in certain cases, organs lost and whatnot. At the same time though, there are also the humanoid Nobodies who don't appear to remember things from their previous lives. Xemnas is one such case, as well as Roxas and possibly Namine, but Xemnas did Ansem SoD running around at times, similar to Roxas and Sora. Namine came without a Heartless, so she's special in her own way from those two.

Now since Namine is part dark part light, she is officially twilight! Yay. Yeah, I guess the major flame portion is kind of over.
You yourself said she is a Nobody, and Nobodies are neither Light nor Darkness.

Because of that, it is safe to assume (if the rest of my assumption is by any means accurate) that Xion was the nobody formed from Kairi's heart being released from Sora. Because Xion has very little of Sora's soul (considering the majority went to Roxas), the memory flow from Sora's heart into his soul also meant that some memories moved into Xion. However, when Sora took back his memories, he only took it back from Roxas (his natural nobody). This is simply and assumption though, but it helps explain why Xion has Sora's memory, because Sora never took it back, and also explains when Namine says that she would not be able to endure the loss of memory, because her soul is, in large, made up of Sora's residual memories, and it would mean that her soul would pretty much be reduced to nothing.
There's also that Xion was born the first time Kairi's Heart left the Body it occupied, on DI.

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I never said Namine was a nobody. The method that formed her was similar to a nobody, but she is not one. My theory is that she is special because she lacks a soul, but she can think rationally as she is at the extreme ends of 2 spectrums. Nowhere did I state that she was a nobody, just that the process that formed her was quite similar, thus she does bear resemblance to other nobodies in terms of abilities.

For the keyblade thing, fine, it's not a proper keyblade, because it's manufactured. Happy? Since basically it's still not a proper keyblade in some sense.

Xion was born on DI? Really? o_O. I ought to read the Another Report again.

Oh, and to anyone arguing through the Another Report, even DiZ writes that it is his hypothesis that Namine was born from Kairi's heart, so, yeah, but I guess that's stretching it quite far though >_<
 
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My theory is that she is special because she lacks a soul, but she can think rationally as she is at the extreme ends of 2 spectrums.
Which makes no sense. A being lacking a Heart and Soul is just a Body, essentially no longer a corpse. It wouldn't have the ability to show any signs of life, let alone emotions or even intelligent thought.

Xion was born on DI? Really? o_O. I ought to read the Another Report again.
No, it doesn't say that, at least, I never noticed it in there. I just see it as the most likely way Xion would be Kairi's Nobody without having to add some special twist to it. But given that Xion has been shown as special in a variety of ways, a normal Nobody birth would be unlikely.
 

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Some say she's a nobody, some argue she is not. Personally, I think she is not. This is probably the part that will get me totally flamed.

Namine is basically nothing.

So, my Namine theory stems from the fact that the hearts were released from the Keyblade of darkness or whatever you want to call it. It is basically a container for the hearts, and when they are released, you can basically think of it as a heart being released from a body. The darkness within the keyblade formed a body, which then disappeared (since the body normally disappears, eg Sora), and the combined hearts of the princesses (which are quite similar, full of light, which is another assumption) formed the heart being released. So Namine was formed from there (heck, she doesn't even look like Kairi, why does everyone think so?), with a body of darkness and light left over from the release. She has form since the heart that formed her was strong. The two extremeties of light and darkness allows her to be able to think, since basically she is both at the far end of darkness and the far end of light.

So... Basically you are getting at:
Namine=Nobody of the 6 PoH's hearts combined?

Regardless, Namine is confirmed to be Kairi's Nobody.


So Namine can control Sora's memory, because she has part of Sora within her

Except above, it seemed you were saying that Namine is not Kairi's Nobody. How could Namine have part of Sora in her if Namine's creation was seperate from Sora?

Because of that, it is safe to assume (if the rest of my assumption is by any means accurate) that Xion was the nobody formed from Kairi's heart being released from Sora.

Except that it has been confirmed that Namine is Kairi's Nobody.

Because Xion has very little of Sora's soul (considering the majority went to Roxas), the memory flow from Sora's heart into his soul also meant that some memories moved into Xion.

Actually, Roxas had all of Sora's body and soul.

Obviously delving into to humanoid Heartless here, but wouldn't it seem that Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, also had memories of his past life?

We cannot be 100% sure about that...
Plus, XH was in an existence of just the heart, similar to Sora.


At the same time though, there are also the humanoid Nobodies who don't appear to remember things from their previous lives. Xemnas is one such case, as well as Roxas and possibly Namine, but Xemnas did Ansem SoD running around at times, similar to Roxas and Sora. Namine came without a Heartless, so she's special in her own way from those two.

Xemnas remembered being Xehanort. That is made clear several times throughout KH2.

There's also the possibility that Xion was born the first time Kairi's Heart left the Body it occupied, on DI.

Went ahead and fixed that for you...

I never said Namine was a nobody. The method that formed her was similar to a nobody, but she is not one. My theory is that she is special because she lacks a soul, but she can think rationally as she is at the extreme ends of 2 spectrums. Nowhere did I state that she was a nobody, just that the process that formed her was quite similar, thus she does bear resemblance to other nobodies in terms of abilities.

Like I said, Namine's nothing. She's a Nobody that lacks both a body and soul.

Xion was born on DI? Really? o_O. I ought to read the Another Report again.

It is simply another theory.

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Which makes no sense. A being lacking a Heart and Soul is just a Body, essentially no longer a corpse. It wouldn't have the ability to show any signs of life, let alone emotions or even intelligent thought.

Yet here we have Namine, a Nobody that lacks both a body and soul.
 

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ok then, I guess that my namine argument has to be revised. Since sora stabbed himself with the keyblade, I suppose a small part of sora's soul is taken to form namine as that is the only soul available in contact with the body.

The only reason my argument remains valid is because:
1. PoH have no natural nobody as even when all the hearts have all been taken, their bodies remain.p
2. Kairi couldn't have made a nobody on DI as the body was found by Riku.
3. Nowhere in the reports does DiZ actually fully confirm that Namine is Kairi's nobody, he only states that it is a hypothesis
 
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ok then, I guess that my namine argument has to be revised. Since sora stabbed himself with the keyblade, I suppose a small part of sora's soul is taken to form namine as that is the only soul available in contact with the body.

You could revise it to your heart's content, but the fact that Namine is Kairi's Nobody debunks all of this.

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1. PoH have no natural nobody as even when all the hearts have all been taken, their bodies remain.

Namine was created when Kairi's heart left Sora's body.

2. Kairi couldn't have made a nobody on DI as the body was found by Riku.

Maleficent found Kairi's body, but that's beside the point. Anyways, Namine's creation was at HB.

3. Nowhere in the reports does DiZ actually fully confirm that Namine is Kairi's nobody, he only states that it is a hypothesis

Try Reading S.A.R. #9 again.
Plus, the fact that Namine fused back with Kairi is more than enough proof to confirm that Namine is Kairi's Nobody.
 
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Ok, sigh. What Im trying to see is other opportunities for Xion to be made and still have sora's memory, thus I cut off DI as a possibility.

Do you think this theory would work more realistically if I swap how Namine was formed with how Xion was formed and emphasize on the tiny portion of the soul held on to the memories?

Oh yes I didn't fully understand the Namine needing roxas body and soul to exist part in the report, mind helping?

Then again, why was sora's heart not shown that time? When he stuck that blade into himself only Kairi's heart actually came out.
 
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Ok its my turn....:lol:
Well, I've been thinking, and decided my Riku cultist theory just sucked. So a new theory, then.
And a big one at that.

I've replayed KH1 till the point where Namine and Roxas are supposed to be formed, and just watched the cutscene a few times.
Ok lets see what ya got.

Basically, Sora stabbed himself with that Keyblade that is not a Keyblade
Artificial keyblade.
, Kairi's heart flew out and into Kairi, then the keyblade dissolved itself into the 6 hearts of the princesses and flew into the princesses. Sora then got engulfed in darkness, and turned into a shadow.
Right right.
But first, before the theory can be explained, I have to talk about the normal person, Heartless and Nobody first.
Building up suspense.

Normal anything:

In Kingdom Hearts, a person is formed through a Heart, a Body, and a Soul. Sadly I have to assume everything in these parts because the story doesn't really give much help in these sectors.
A whole being is formed with a heart,body and soul but right.

Heart:

Assumption: The Heart acts like a container for the good and bad of a person, the character, the nature, or whatever you want to call it. When a heart is leaning towards the end of each spectrum (a lot of light or dark), it can take form,
Well you should use light and darkness because light could be used for bad and darkness can be used for good. I dont believe light can take on a form around a heart.

and not look like a heart anymore. Ok, hard to understand, but later when you read my heartless assumption, you see that I assume the heart gets tainted by darkness when the Heartless take it.
Heartless are the heart consumed by its own darkness.

So, when the heart is first released, it looks like a heart, but eventually after leaning towards darkness too far it turns into a form (heartless). The further into darkness the heart is, the more normal the form (eg compare Shadows with Ansem).
No it depends on the hearts own darkness and ansem SoD was not a heartless but an existence of a heart.

However, hearts on the light side also have a form (Kairi's appearance to Sora throghout the story, and Sora having a normal form even though his body and soul is gone). Hearts at extreme ends also have the ability to rationalize, like a soul.
I dont see them taking on forms the PoH have no darkness in their hearts and only have light but they dont take on any forms so....

This helps to explain some stuff, even though I suppose I'll get flamed for this.
Flaming is not so bad.

Body:

Assumption: A container housing the heart and the soul, giving it form. Basically, think of the body containing the heart and the soul within it.
Uh thats what the body is for.....

Soul:

Assumption: The part of a person that controls rational thought. That's why you see Nobodies can think and have a goal,
Well they still have the body.

while Heartless simply seek their base desires.
Because they have no memories or emotion but act on instinct.

People might argue about the people who control the heartless but aren't exactly heartless (Captain Hook, Riku at first, Jafar, Maleficent etc), but remember, they only control them, they haven't turned into a heartless yet.
They controlled the heartless with their own hearts or the stronger being.

Heartless:

Beings that take hearts from others, and contain darkness, and replicate by consuming the hearts of others. Well, I hope that part is obvious. Also, Heartless have hearts, unlike their namesake. I got help here, from another thread I made.

This is also correct....

Thanks to Audo.
............

Ok, then now we go back to the part where Sora gets surrounded by darkness. He said he could feel himself falling into darkness, until Kairi brought him back with her light. Thus comes my first assumption:
Assuming quite alot.

When a heart is consumed by the Heartless, the Heartless amplify the tiny portion of darkness within the heart. The heart then turns entirely into darkness (pureblood) or, if the heart was taken by an emblem heartless, the darkness surrounds it, and turns the heart into one of their kind.
Pretty much stating what we already know.

Now for nobodies.

Nobodies are a soul and a body. They normally gain memories lost when a person turns into a heartless. Only a strong heart can form a nobody.
We know this also....

Nobodies are capable of rational thought, fulfilling what the higher ups tell them to do (there's a heirachy within their system). They seek to gain their hearts back.
Yes they want to become whole.
Ok, now for the theory. Which, as it should be known, all assumptions, or most of it.
Finally.....:lol:

Firstly, a nobody should gain the memory slowly, or as others call it, a memory transfer. However, when Sora got back his heart, Roxas' memory transfer stopped and reversed. Thus, from this, I gain the assumption that:
Roxas didnt get soras memories because of the short time sora was a heartless.
Assumption: Memories are connected to the heart. When the heart falls into darkness, the memories move from the heart into the soul. It becomes a part of the soul itself.
The memories could go within the soul but if you think about it. It can also stay within the body.

With this assumption, we see that Roxas had minor transfer, but it stopped once Sora turned back from a Heartless into himself, since the heart was no longer tainted by darkness.
Roxas doesnt have any of soras memories.

Now we go on to argue the part where everyone was arguing about: Namine.
Lets go.....
Some say she's a nobody, some argue she is not. Personally, I think she is not. This is probably the part that will get me totally flamed.
Nobody or not she is something without a body and soul but was created the same way any nobody would.

See, the Princesses of Heart do not form nobodies naturally. When their hearts were removed from their body into the keyblade that Riku/Ansem used, their bodies were still there, contained within those vessels at the side. They do not spawn anywhere else as nobodies. This is further proven that Kairi's body still exists even though her heart is gone from her body and has seeked refuge in Sora. And no, you can't argue that it is simply because the Keyblade stops people turning into Nobodies, because when Sora stuck it into himself he still turned into a Nobody and a Heartless.

Agree we know....You typed all this up when we all ready know. You should have just spared you the time.

So, my Namine theory stems from the fact that the hearts were released from the Keyblade of darkness or whatever you want to call it. It is basically a container for the hearts, and when they are released,
Yes the PoH was released from the dark keyblade.

you can basically think of it as a heart being released from a body. The darkness within the keyblade formed a body,
This is where i stop you. This would mean that their are 6 PoH nobodies running around where their clearly not.

which then disappeared (since the body normally disappears, eg Sora), and the combined hearts of the princesses (which are quite similar, full of light, which is another assumption) formed the heart being released. So Namine was formed from there (heck, she doesn't even look like Kairi, why does everyone think so?), with a body of darkness and light left over from the release. She has form since the heart that formed her was strong. The two extremeties of light and darkness allows her to be able to think, since basically she is both at the far end of darkness and the far end of light.

Lost me, Namine was formed when kairi heart left soras body and soul. Roxas had soras body and soul and namine was left with nothing so namine has no body and soul. Next sense she was released from sora she has the power to alter his memories and all who are connected to him.

Now since Namine is part dark part light, she is officially twilight! Yay. Yeah, I guess the major flame portion is kind of over.
Yep you pretty much done that, nobodies if she is one are neither light nor darkness.

So Namine can control Sora's memory, because she has part of Sora within her,
Nope pretty much she has nothing.

and because her body does not actually "exist", also coupled with the fact that she was formed from Princesses of Hearts' hearts.
Uh no because why would she when she fuse with kairi at the end of kh 2 if she was formed by the PoH.

She is a "witch". Ok, I can't really explain this part all that perfectly, it still doesn't answer the question, but whatever.
Diz just gave her that name because he didnt know what she was.
By clearing this up, I'm still sticking with the "Roxas and Namine were created at the same time" thing.
.............

Because of that, it is safe to assume (if the rest of my assumption is by any means accurate) that Xion was the nobody formed from Kairi's heart being released from Sora.
"bang head on desk" No thats namine because if namine wasnt kairis nobody then she wouldnt fuse with her at the end of KH 2.

Because Xion has very little of Sora's soul (considering the majority went to Roxas),
Xion and Roxas dont have anything of sora except xion has his memories and roxas has his body and soul.

the memory flow from Sora's heart into his soul also meant that some memories moved into Xion.
If this had happen roxas would have memories of sora.

However, when Sora took back his memories, he only took it back from Roxas (his natural nobody). This is simply and assumption though, but it helps explain why Xion has Sora's memory,
Sora memories were about to go to roxas at the end of kh 1 but kairi dont the process blah blah blah and xion is most likely created after roxas.

because Sora never took it back, and also explains when Namine says that she would not be able to endure the loss of memory, because her soul is, in large, made up of Sora's residual memories, and it would mean that her soul would pretty much be reduced to nothing.

Doesnt makes sense anyway im 99.9% sure that xion doesnt have a body and soul.

Ok, then, so that clears things up.

*Prepares flame shield*
Thats good you dont want to get burned.
Hope there can be some decent arguments to this, this theory is obviously flawed, but I can't really see, although I do feel that it is.
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Ok, sigh. What Im trying to see is other opportunities for Xion to be made and still have sora's memory, thus I cut off DI as a possibility.

Ansem the Wise originally theorized Namine was born on the night of the storm, and her powers over Sora's Memories came as a result of Kairi's Heart being in relation to Sora. That being - the relation came after her supposed birth.
We don't know what made AtW change his mind. Therefore, we can't say that Xion wasn't born on the night of the storm just because she has a relation to Sora. That relation, as suggested by AtW originally about Namine, could've been established later on.
Alternatively, Xion being born during/in close relation to when Kairi's Heart moved into Sora's Body would in and of itself indicate a relation by circumstances.
If she's a Namine-type Nobody, being - a highly unique and unstable existence effectively lacking everything a Nobody needs, being a B+S, I see no reason why she couldn't have been born on the night of the storm.
 

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Okay, pretty sure this has already been said, but I'll put it in simpler terms:

My theory......

Namine is NOT a nobody (technically). She was created when Sora released his and Kairi's heart using the dark keyblade. Therefore, it was Kairi's heart and Sora's being that created her, making her a bit of...well, both of them, I guess.

Roxas was created at the same time, but using Sora's heart and being, making him Sora's nobody.

Xion is Kairi's nobody from the initial time on Destiny Islands when Kairi lost her heart (when she gave it to Sora).

To sum up the theory:

Xion is Kairi's nobody.
Roxas and Namine were created at the same time.
Namine is not a nobody, and she is created from both Kairi and Sora.
 

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Okay, pretty sure this has already been said, but I'll put it in simpler terms:

My theory......

Namine is NOT a nobody (technically). She was created when Sora released his and Kairi's heart using the dark keyblade. Therefore, it was Kairi's heart and Sora's being that created her, making her a bit of...well, both of them, I guess.

Namine really didnt get nothing from sora but got the ablity to alter soras memeories.

Roxas was created at the same time, but using Sora's heart and being, making him Sora's nobody.
Okay
Xion is Kairi's nobody from the initial time on Destiny Islands when Kairi lost her heart (when she gave it to Sora).
Yes i also thought this but her appearance being altered by soras memories pretty much ruined this for me.
To sum up the theory:

Xion is Kairi's nobody.
Roxas and Namine were created at the same time.
Namine is not a nobody, and she is created from both Kairi and Sora.
I think its a good possiblity.
 

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Gah, you people still don't get the reason I'm trying to state for the DI thing.

A nobody is made up of a soul and a body. Namine has very little, but still enough. Without a body, the soul cannot exist.

That's where I'm getting at about Maleficent finding the body of Kairi. Since Kairi's body is pretty much whole and intact, it pretty much means that the ingredients to create a nobody were not present at DI, which means that no nobody could be formed on DI.

That's why I was purposely trying to find alternatives to the formation of Xion, because Kairi's body was not used to create anything, which meant that unless Xion is once again portrayed like a Namine like character (somehow lacking everything), she couldn't have been born on DI. Then again, if Xion could do something like Namine, then there should be 6 PoH nobodies running around, because they should be able to do the same thing when their hearts were kept in the dark keyblade, right? So I heavily avoided mentioning DI as a possible source because of this.
 

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Gah, you people still don't get the reason I'm trying to state for the DI thing.
State it then.

A nobody is made up of a soul and a body. Namine has very little, but still enough. Without a body, the soul cannot exist.
Namine doesnt have a body and soul. Souls can exist without the body.

That's where I'm getting at about Maleficent finding the body of Kairi. Since Kairi's body is pretty much whole and intact, it pretty much means that the ingredients to create a nobody were not present at DI, which means that no nobody could be formed on DI.
Kairi lost her heart on destiny island but her body was moved. But their could be a possiblity that a nobody without a body and soul couldve been created on DI.

That's why I was purposely trying to find alternatives to the formation of Xion, because Kairi's body was not used to create anything, which meant that unless Xion is once again portrayed like a Namine like character (somehow lacking everything),
Which pretty much point to that.

she couldn't have been born on DI. Then again, if Xion could do something like Namine, then there should be 6 PoH nobodies running around,
I dont know...
because they should be able to do the same thing when their hearts were kept in the dark keyblade, right? So I heavily avoided mentioning DI as a possible source because of this.
But you have to have a strong heart to have a nobody just because they are PoH doesnt mean their hearts are strong so no.
 

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If the soul exists without the body, then the body perishes.
 
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