Edit: What we know about KH. I decided to stuff it here so I don't have to remember stuff when I edit my theory next time.
- In DI, Kairi's body was found intact, thus if a nobody was created on DI it didn't use neither a body nor a soul.
-In Hollow Bastion, when Sora stabbed himself with the keyblade, he created Roxas and Namine, both highly unstable nobody, because Roxas lacks memory and Namine lacks pretty much everything.
-DI was remade at End of the World, blah blah blah.
-Sora goes to Castle Oblivion, and his memories were removed by Namine (transcribed into drawings), so if anyone wanted to make any memory theories all the memories were all within the drawings, mostly. Because the memory is not lost, Namine managed to put it back together.
-Namine dumps him into a capsule for him to recover from what she did to him (thanks, Namine, seriously, thanks. God, wth was Jiminy Cricket thinking when he wrote that down)
-358/2 days events happen during that time.
-When the memory leaks out, she? cannot endure it? Might refer to Xion or someone else for all we know. Maybe Kairi?
-Saix says that either the annihilation of Roxas or the friendship between Axel and someone (possibly Xion?) was vital to the cause of the organisation
-Xion wonders how can 2 similar beings exist simultaneously, then Riku tells her to return to her true form (in the Trailer)
-Xion waves keyblade at Roxas and Axel.
-When memories stop returning, DiZ tells Riku to go after Xion.
-Kingdom Hearts 2 events start.
-Roxas can dual wield! Looks so much cooler than Xion.
-All the organization get pwned, and Sora is too dumb to understand anything they said until the King told him.
-Namine goes back into Kairi? (Well, for all you know, she might be nothing so can enter anything?) and Roxas into Sora
-Roxas' limited intelligence allows him to conclude that Namine is a Nobody, and that they didn't disappear because they're good, and they live happily ever after when they disappear back to DI..Not.
Yay.
Old Theory: (shown to be flawed)
Well, I've been thinking, and decided my Riku cultist theory just sucked. So a new theory, then.
I've replayed KH1 till the point where Namine and Roxas are supposed to be formed, and just watched the cutscene a few times.
Basically, Sora stabbed himself with that Keyblade that is not a Keyblade, Kairi's heart flew out and into Kairi, then the keyblade dissolved itself into the 6 hearts of the princesses and flew into the princesses. Sora then got engulfed in darkness, and turned into a shadow.
But first, before the theory can be explained, I have to talk about the normal person, Heartless and Nobody first.
Normal anything:
In Kingdom Hearts, a person is formed through a Heart, a Body, and a Soul. Sadly I have to assume everything in these parts because the story doesn't really give much help in these sectors.
Heart:
Assumption: The Heart acts like a container for the good and bad of a person, the character, the nature, or whatever you want to call it. When a heart is leaning towards the end of each spectrum (a lot of light or dark), it can take form, and not look like a heart anymore. Ok, hard to understand, but later when you read my heartless assumption, you see that I assume the heart gets tainted by darkness when the Heartless take it. So, when the heart is first released, it looks like a heart, but eventually after leaning towards darkness too far it turns into a form (heartless). The further into darkness the heart is, the more normal the form (eg compare Shadows with Ansem). However, hearts on the light side also have a form (Kairi's appearance to Sora throghout the story, and Sora having a normal form even though his body and soul is gone). Hearts at extreme ends also have the ability to rationalize, like a soul.
This helps to explain some stuff, even though I suppose I'll get flamed for this.
Body:
Assumption: A container housing the heart and the soul, giving it form. Basically, think of the body containing the heart and the soul within it.
Soul:
Assumption: The part of a person that controls rational thought. That's why you see Nobodies can think and have a goal, while Heartless simply seek their base desires. People might argue about the people who control the heartless but aren't exactly heartless (Captain Hook, Riku at first, Jafar, Maleficent etc), but remember, they only control them, they haven't turned into a heartless yet.
Heartless:
Beings that take hearts from others, and contain darkness, and replicate by consuming the hearts of others. Well, I hope that part is obvious. Also, Heartless have hearts, unlike their namesake. I got help here, from another thread I made.
Thanks to Audo.
Ok, then now we go back to the part where Sora gets surrounded by darkness. He said he could feel himself falling into darkness, until Kairi brought him back with her light. Thus comes my first assumption:
When a heart is consumed by the Heartless, the Heartless amplify the tiny portion of darkness within the heart. The heart then turns entirely into darkness (pureblood) or, if the heart was taken by an emblem heartless, the darkness surrounds it, and turns the heart into one of their kind.
Now for nobodies.
Nobodies are a soul and a body. They normally gain memories lost when a person turns into a heartless. Only a strong heart can form a nobody.
Nobodies are capable of rational thought, fulfilling what the higher ups tell them to do (there's a heirachy within their system). They seek to gain their hearts back.
Ok, now for the theory. Which, as it should be known, all assumptions, or most of it.
Firstly, a nobody should gain the memory slowly, or as others call it, a memory transfer. However, when Sora got back his heart, Roxas' memory transfer stopped and reversed. Thus, from this, I gain the assumption that:
Assumption: Memories are connected to the heart. When the heart falls into darkness, the memories move from the heart into the soul. It becomes a part of the soul itself.
With this assumption, we see that Roxas had minor transfer, but it stopped once Sora turned back from a Heartless into himself, since the heart was no longer tainted by darkness.
Now we go on to argue the part where everyone was arguing about: Namine.
Some say she's a nobody, some argue she is not. Personally, I think she is not. This is probably the part that will get me totally flamed.
See, the Princesses of Heart do not form nobodies naturally. When their hearts were removed from their body into the keyblade that Riku/Ansem used, their bodies were still there, contained within those vessels at the side. They do not spawn anywhere else as nobodies. This is further proven that Kairi's body still exists even though her heart is gone from her body and has seeked refuge in Sora. And no, you can't argue that it is simply because the Keyblade stops people turning into Nobodies, because when Sora stuck it into himself he still turned into a Nobody and a Heartless.
So, my Namine theory stems from the fact that the hearts were released from the Keyblade of darkness or whatever you want to call it. It is basically a container for the hearts, and when they are released, you can basically think of it as a heart being released from a body. The darkness within the keyblade formed a body, which then disappeared (since the body normally disappears, eg Sora), and the combined hearts of the princesses (which are quite similar, full of light, which is another assumption) formed the heart being released. So Namine was formed from there (heck, she doesn't even look like Kairi, why does everyone think so?), with a body of darkness and light left over from the release. She has form since the heart that formed her was strong. The two extremeties of light and darkness allows her to be able to think, since basically she is both at the far end of darkness and the far end of light.
Now since Namine is part dark part light, she is officially twilight! Yay. Yeah, I guess the major flame portion is kind of over.
So Namine can control Sora's memory, because she has part of Sora within her, and because her body does not actually "exist", also coupled with the fact that she was formed from Princesses of Hearts' hearts. She is a "witch". Ok, I can't really explain this part all that perfectly, it still doesn't answer the question, but whatever.
By clearing this up, I'm still sticking with the "Roxas and Namine were created at the same time" thing.
Because of that, it is safe to assume (if the rest of my assumption is by any means accurate) that Xion was the nobody formed from Kairi's heart being released from Sora. Because Xion has very little of Sora's soul (considering the majority went to Roxas), the memory flow from Sora's heart into his soul also meant that some memories moved into Xion. However, when Sora took back his memories, he only took it back from Roxas (his natural nobody). This is simply and assumption though, but it helps explain why Xion has Sora's memory, because Sora never took it back, and also explains when Namine says that she would not be able to endure the loss of memory, because her soul is, in large, made up of Sora's residual memories, and it would mean that her soul would pretty much be reduced to nothing.
Ok, then, so that clears things up.
*Prepares flame shield*
Hope there can be some decent arguments to this, this theory is obviously flawed, but I can't really see, although I do feel that it is.
- In DI, Kairi's body was found intact, thus if a nobody was created on DI it didn't use neither a body nor a soul.
-In Hollow Bastion, when Sora stabbed himself with the keyblade, he created Roxas and Namine, both highly unstable nobody, because Roxas lacks memory and Namine lacks pretty much everything.
-DI was remade at End of the World, blah blah blah.
-Sora goes to Castle Oblivion, and his memories were removed by Namine (transcribed into drawings), so if anyone wanted to make any memory theories all the memories were all within the drawings, mostly. Because the memory is not lost, Namine managed to put it back together.
-Namine dumps him into a capsule for him to recover from what she did to him (thanks, Namine, seriously, thanks. God, wth was Jiminy Cricket thinking when he wrote that down)
-358/2 days events happen during that time.
-When the memory leaks out, she? cannot endure it? Might refer to Xion or someone else for all we know. Maybe Kairi?
-Saix says that either the annihilation of Roxas or the friendship between Axel and someone (possibly Xion?) was vital to the cause of the organisation
-Xion wonders how can 2 similar beings exist simultaneously, then Riku tells her to return to her true form (in the Trailer)
-Xion waves keyblade at Roxas and Axel.
-When memories stop returning, DiZ tells Riku to go after Xion.
-Kingdom Hearts 2 events start.
-Roxas can dual wield! Looks so much cooler than Xion.
-All the organization get pwned, and Sora is too dumb to understand anything they said until the King told him.
-Namine goes back into Kairi? (Well, for all you know, she might be nothing so can enter anything?) and Roxas into Sora
-Roxas' limited intelligence allows him to conclude that Namine is a Nobody, and that they didn't disappear because they're good, and they live happily ever after when they disappear back to DI..Not.
Yay.
Old Theory: (shown to be flawed)
Well, I've been thinking, and decided my Riku cultist theory just sucked. So a new theory, then.
I've replayed KH1 till the point where Namine and Roxas are supposed to be formed, and just watched the cutscene a few times.
Basically, Sora stabbed himself with that Keyblade that is not a Keyblade, Kairi's heart flew out and into Kairi, then the keyblade dissolved itself into the 6 hearts of the princesses and flew into the princesses. Sora then got engulfed in darkness, and turned into a shadow.
But first, before the theory can be explained, I have to talk about the normal person, Heartless and Nobody first.
Normal anything:
In Kingdom Hearts, a person is formed through a Heart, a Body, and a Soul. Sadly I have to assume everything in these parts because the story doesn't really give much help in these sectors.
Heart:
Assumption: The Heart acts like a container for the good and bad of a person, the character, the nature, or whatever you want to call it. When a heart is leaning towards the end of each spectrum (a lot of light or dark), it can take form, and not look like a heart anymore. Ok, hard to understand, but later when you read my heartless assumption, you see that I assume the heart gets tainted by darkness when the Heartless take it. So, when the heart is first released, it looks like a heart, but eventually after leaning towards darkness too far it turns into a form (heartless). The further into darkness the heart is, the more normal the form (eg compare Shadows with Ansem). However, hearts on the light side also have a form (Kairi's appearance to Sora throghout the story, and Sora having a normal form even though his body and soul is gone). Hearts at extreme ends also have the ability to rationalize, like a soul.
This helps to explain some stuff, even though I suppose I'll get flamed for this.
Body:
Assumption: A container housing the heart and the soul, giving it form. Basically, think of the body containing the heart and the soul within it.
Soul:
Assumption: The part of a person that controls rational thought. That's why you see Nobodies can think and have a goal, while Heartless simply seek their base desires. People might argue about the people who control the heartless but aren't exactly heartless (Captain Hook, Riku at first, Jafar, Maleficent etc), but remember, they only control them, they haven't turned into a heartless yet.
Heartless:
Beings that take hearts from others, and contain darkness, and replicate by consuming the hearts of others. Well, I hope that part is obvious. Also, Heartless have hearts, unlike their namesake. I got help here, from another thread I made.
Thanks to Audo.
Ok, then now we go back to the part where Sora gets surrounded by darkness. He said he could feel himself falling into darkness, until Kairi brought him back with her light. Thus comes my first assumption:
When a heart is consumed by the Heartless, the Heartless amplify the tiny portion of darkness within the heart. The heart then turns entirely into darkness (pureblood) or, if the heart was taken by an emblem heartless, the darkness surrounds it, and turns the heart into one of their kind.
Now for nobodies.
Nobodies are a soul and a body. They normally gain memories lost when a person turns into a heartless. Only a strong heart can form a nobody.
Nobodies are capable of rational thought, fulfilling what the higher ups tell them to do (there's a heirachy within their system). They seek to gain their hearts back.
Ok, now for the theory. Which, as it should be known, all assumptions, or most of it.
Firstly, a nobody should gain the memory slowly, or as others call it, a memory transfer. However, when Sora got back his heart, Roxas' memory transfer stopped and reversed. Thus, from this, I gain the assumption that:
Assumption: Memories are connected to the heart. When the heart falls into darkness, the memories move from the heart into the soul. It becomes a part of the soul itself.
With this assumption, we see that Roxas had minor transfer, but it stopped once Sora turned back from a Heartless into himself, since the heart was no longer tainted by darkness.
Now we go on to argue the part where everyone was arguing about: Namine.
Some say she's a nobody, some argue she is not. Personally, I think she is not. This is probably the part that will get me totally flamed.
See, the Princesses of Heart do not form nobodies naturally. When their hearts were removed from their body into the keyblade that Riku/Ansem used, their bodies were still there, contained within those vessels at the side. They do not spawn anywhere else as nobodies. This is further proven that Kairi's body still exists even though her heart is gone from her body and has seeked refuge in Sora. And no, you can't argue that it is simply because the Keyblade stops people turning into Nobodies, because when Sora stuck it into himself he still turned into a Nobody and a Heartless.
So, my Namine theory stems from the fact that the hearts were released from the Keyblade of darkness or whatever you want to call it. It is basically a container for the hearts, and when they are released, you can basically think of it as a heart being released from a body. The darkness within the keyblade formed a body, which then disappeared (since the body normally disappears, eg Sora), and the combined hearts of the princesses (which are quite similar, full of light, which is another assumption) formed the heart being released. So Namine was formed from there (heck, she doesn't even look like Kairi, why does everyone think so?), with a body of darkness and light left over from the release. She has form since the heart that formed her was strong. The two extremeties of light and darkness allows her to be able to think, since basically she is both at the far end of darkness and the far end of light.
Now since Namine is part dark part light, she is officially twilight! Yay. Yeah, I guess the major flame portion is kind of over.
So Namine can control Sora's memory, because she has part of Sora within her, and because her body does not actually "exist", also coupled with the fact that she was formed from Princesses of Hearts' hearts. She is a "witch". Ok, I can't really explain this part all that perfectly, it still doesn't answer the question, but whatever.
By clearing this up, I'm still sticking with the "Roxas and Namine were created at the same time" thing.
Because of that, it is safe to assume (if the rest of my assumption is by any means accurate) that Xion was the nobody formed from Kairi's heart being released from Sora. Because Xion has very little of Sora's soul (considering the majority went to Roxas), the memory flow from Sora's heart into his soul also meant that some memories moved into Xion. However, when Sora took back his memories, he only took it back from Roxas (his natural nobody). This is simply and assumption though, but it helps explain why Xion has Sora's memory, because Sora never took it back, and also explains when Namine says that she would not be able to endure the loss of memory, because her soul is, in large, made up of Sora's residual memories, and it would mean that her soul would pretty much be reduced to nothing.
Ok, then, so that clears things up.
*Prepares flame shield*
Hope there can be some decent arguments to this, this theory is obviously flawed, but I can't really see, although I do feel that it is.
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. I ought to read the Another Report again.
