My Extremely Thought Out Theory on the Sora/Roxas/Ven Issue

[Sephiroth0812]

Typical. I wonder if he'll put anything in Codec that might drive us all wild with questions, answers, and crack pot theories. And when KH3 comes out, I wonder if most of our questions will be answered.

He'll do that for sure, cuz that's it what drives most of the fans forward and lusting for more KH.

KH III will be just as KH II in terms that it does answer most of our current questions and then raise an equal amount or more of new questions.
Just for example: He did say that a future game will portray the final battle between Sora and Xehanort, but he did specify if he really meant KH III with that...depending on what he has in mind for the plot of KH III that final battle might even take place in KH IV or even V...

 

[barricade21153]

I don't know how to put spoiler tags on but, wouldn't Vanitas fit into this somewhere too? I didn't play BBS yet so excuse my ignorance.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

I don't know how to put spoiler tags on but, wouldn't Vanitas fit into this somewhere too? I didn't play BBS yet so excuse my ignorance.

Actually, Vanitas does fit in there to a certain point, I explained it 8 posts earlier, it's post #35.
But if you didn't play BBS yet and plan to play it in the near future I wouldn't read it except you want to spoil yourself...

 

[chasespicer056]

You need to get the fact that Roxas, Ven and Sora all look alike.

They all use the same body model and face, only the hair and clothing differs. This is because when Sora was born, he fused his heart with Ven, giving himself an appearance like his.

When Sora became a heartless, his own heart left his own body, giving the fractured heart of Ven control of his body. Except Ven's heart is still repairing after the final battle against Vanitas, which explains why Roxas is so woozy and weak at first. Of course Ven's heart would influence Sora's body and change the appearance.

Sorry, but Sora and Roxas have SLIGHTLY different faces. Though they're definitely similar.

 

[HeartSeams]

Sure, this entire plot about Ven and his heart is one of the most confusing parts of the whole KH-Storyline me thinks.

I personally found it ridiculously simple =/
After BBS addressed it, I had no issues with understanding it at all. I now think the more complex mystery in KH is how MX/Terra/Eraqus' hearts/memories/powers were divided. But, once that's addressed in KH3D, it'll probably seem simple too.

I think people have a tendency to overcomplicate things (like this theory) when really, they're quite straightforward.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

I personally found it ridiculously simple =/
After BBS addressed it, I had no issues with understanding it at all. I now think the more complex mystery in KH is how MX/Terra/Eraqus' hearts/memories/powers were divided. But, once that's addressed in KH3D, it'll probably seem simple too.

I think people have a tendency to overcomplicate things (like this theory) when really, they're quite straightforward.

So, when you see the theory originally posted here as overcomplicated, do you agree with the way I've explained the whole issue to Xeon?
I've to be careful since I'm german and although my english is quite good rarely I still have some sentence contsructs whose meaning isn't directly clear.

 

[Goldpanner]

the fact that Sora and Vanitas have the same hair is completely by coincidence

How did you decide on the design for their faces?
NOMURA: (...)And there is a reason that Vanitas looks like Sora. As Sora filled in Ventus’ fractured heart, the fractured part (Vanitas) was affected by Sora and ended up with Sora’s face. So if it had been Riku who had filled in Ventus’ heart, Vanitas would have looked like Riku.

I don't really know what happened to Vanitas either, it looked like he just faded to darkness.

Grass has a cool theory that Vani ended up in Riku, which makes a lot of sense considering
+Riku gets the Vani muscle clothes when his heart is 'unlocked' by Maleficent, Terra doesn't when the same thing happens to him
+Xion somehow absorbs memories from Riku... which would make sense if Riku were connected to Sora and Roxas was, via the heart

Amazingly though, Sora regains his heart, and his body.

He does not regain his original body. It is said in the character reports that Kairi's memories 'gave Sora form'. I can't be bothered to find the quote right now but I was the one who translated it, so I know what it said.

I've also read other things in the KH2 ultimania... bah, it was HeartSeams who made me translate them, I forget what I did with them. It explained all about Namine and Roxas...

Roxas is unsure if he has a heart or not, and believes that he doesn't because, "he would feel something there", wouldn't he?

This was shitty localisation on Days' part. It originally said something more like,
"I don't know either. But, I've been thinking lately, maybe the heart isn't something you can feel, or something you can see."

So no one remembers her and who even cares, God.

amen to that

And he doesn't have Sora's body because play the freaking game if you don't know why.

As I said, he does have Sora's body.

We know Roxas is Sora's nobody, but why is he so different from other nobodies?

Because he has a sleeping heart inside him, affecting his appearance like filling a clear plastic container with something bright, and giving him the ability to develop emotions as he connects to this heart.

Is Ven's heart still with Sora?

It is now. After Sora and Roxas fused back into one, Sora got Ven's heart back. That's part of what Namine finds in coded...

 

[Lucifur]

When Sora became a heartless, it released both Kairi, and Ven's hearts. (Hollow Bastion KH1) Each heart, returned to their respective bodies.

Roxas/Ven was never a nobody, which is why he never had any past memories of being Sora. (358/2 Days) And he has no memory of his life as Ven due to all of the fractures and trauma his heart encountered during the events of BBS.

This is because The Keyblade's Chosen one.

Terra's body though, was possessed by Xehanort. Due to what happened with the x-blade, Xehanort lost all of his memories. (BBS)

Xehanort later assumes Ansem's identity, (as stated in KH2) and then eventually turns into a Heartless.

The Nobody, Xemnas, is actually Terra's body, because remember, Ansem is really Xehanort, who took over Terra's body (BBS).

So in the clip where Xemnas is having the conversation with Aqua's suit of armor, he calls it his friend, because Xemnas is really the Nobody of Terra, and he has his past life's memories.

In BBS, Xehanort's heart possesses both Terra's body and heart. So thus, Ansem from KH 1, is also Terra's heartless.

Let's start with the basics, whenever a person loses their heart a Heartless and a Nobody is born. With that said, when Sora releases the hearts he became a Heartless, a Nobody must've been born somewhere. I also have a theory that Roxas is NOT a Nobody, who is it though?

You mentioned that Xehanort becomes Ansem, agreed, but again with the basics. If Xehanort lost his heart in Terra's body where is HIS heart? Was it comsumed while it was with Xehanort's? When Ansem was conducting experiments he lost his heart and became a Heartless, Xenmas is born. I can really see why Xemnas is soo powerful, I also think it's Terras' body who is desperate to get his heart back. I confused myself @_@ But this makes sense, kinda = /

Also you talk about "The Chosen One", how is the Chosen one Sora? I mean Ventus could be the Chosen one in the first place. In the scene in Kingdom Hearts ( Hollow Bastions ) Riku takes Sora's Keyblade and becomes the Chosen One aswell. I don't really think that the term applies to only one person, it applies to whoever has a strong heart, one of either light or darkness.