*MoM SPOILERS!* We really need to talk about Kairi...

[Squood!]

It's merely the reality. Along with how it's also a reality how people can and will see games like BBS and Days and claim Kairi got shafted in those

 

[Zackarix]

You did sort of come into a thread with an established negative tone because it's a reaction to one of the character's most humiliating showings and told us to be optimistic because surely our complaints have been heard and it be different next time.

And you didn't even lead with your strongest argument of Nomura hiring a writer who has a history of being good at handling female characters and ensemble casts. I do think that if you had started a new thread titled "Reasons to be Optimistic about Kairi's Future Role" and laid out your reasoning in the OP people would be much more open to discussion.

I do hope you're right and Kairi does have a strong, important role in the future. But for now a lot of fans have a case of "once bitten, twice shy." It's hard to summon up optimism when the series has a history of failing to deliver for the character despite having much stronger set-ups than the one she currently has. After a certain point you start to feel at best naïve, and at worst delusional. And after the one-two punch of her bad treatment in KH3 and seemingly turning it around in Re:Mind, only for MoM to backtrack hard a lot of Kairi fans are just tired.

Maybe engaging in discussions and fanworks about Kairi training under Aqua would be a good use of fandom energy, but if you disappoint fans consistently eventually they stop generating energy for a topic.

 

[Launchpad]

You did sort of come into a thread with an established negative tone because it's a reaction to one of the character's most humiliating showings and told us to be optimistic because surely our complaints have been heard and it be different next time.

a thread topic/general consensus doesn't dictate that someone can't enter and voice a contrary opinion or mindset though. I'm definitely pretty much done when it comes to caring about Kairi, but there is some truth to the notion that years of active loathing yields nothing but being more pissed off lmao

for me, the time of intensely wanting more for Kairi has passed. in the event they do something cool for her, it'll be all the nicer because I've totally put it out of my mind.

 

[Zackarix]

a thread topic/general consensus doesn't dictate that someone can't enter and voice a contrary opinion or mindset though. I'm definitely pretty much done when it comes to caring about Kairi, but there is some truth to the notion that years of active loathing yields nothing but being more pissed off lmao

for me, the time of intensely wanting more for Kairi has passed. in the event they do something cool for her, it'll be all the nicer because I've totally put it out of my mind.

I didn't say you can't, I'm just explaining why Audo's attempt to change the mood of this thread went over like a lead balloon. Digging up an old thread can dig up the old feelings that came with it. That's one of the reasons why I suggested that a new thread on the topic might have gone better.

For the record, my current feelings about Kairi are those of apathy. But when this thread updated, with all its discussion of Kairi's historic poor treatment, I'm able to go back and remember why I was so angry at the time.

 

[Launchpad]

I'm just explaining why Audo's attempt to change the mood of this thread went over like a lead balloon.

talk about douchey

 

[Deleted member]

I feel like my intent has been taken out back. I did not enter this thread trying to change the mood of it or convince other people to be optimistic nor assure them that it's going to be different or fine. You can feel however you like! I entered the thread to express my personal opinion about the writing choice of Kairi expressing doubt in herself post-death and why I don't find that inherently bad writing. Then people responded to that with cyncism and so then i had to go "well you can feel that way, but this is why im not cynical about it". Like I wasn't going into this with a big mission statement and goal to change the tides, that's why I didn't make my own thread about Why Actually Everything Kairi is Fine or whatever. I was literally just putting out a lil post about my reaction to Kairi's story in MelMem in the thread about reactions to Kairi's story in MelMem. That's why I didn't "lead with my strongest point" or whatever. I wasn't making formal arguments. At best I figured "hey it's been a couple years, maybe people are more receptive to at least seeing a neutral-positive take about it" and that was the end of the thought. Lesson learned I suppose!

Anywaaaay. I'm done lol.

 

[Zackarix]

talk about douchey

??? Would you say it went well? The post got nothing but pessimistic reactions, even if I read yours as positive it still ends with "It's hard not to feel like its just too late for her."

 

[Launchpad]

??? Would you say it went well? The post got nothing but pessimistic reactions, even if I read yours as positive it still ends with "It's hard not to feel like its just too late for her."

"attempt to change the mood of this thread" is insanely douchey. no one's telling you how to feel when they voice their own perspective. i'm embarrassed for you

 

[Zackarix]

"attempt to change the mood of this thread" is insanely douchey. no one's telling you how to feel when they voice their own perspective. i'm embarrassed for you

I genuinely don't understand the point of replying to a thread that's long reached a consensus and has been dormant for years with a new contrary perspective if you're not trying to guide the existing discussion in a new direction. Especially when we have no new information on the subject. But Audo says that wasn't the intention, so I guess it wasn't.

But then again, there are a lot of things about human interaction I still don't understand so

 

[Squood!]

I will say, I believe the big issue with Kairi doesn't actually stem from Nomura and whoever assists him, even if there are issues there but at the same time Nomura is the mind behind characters like Tifa and Aerith and he CAN treat female characters well.

Rather I believe the big issue stems from the very fanbase itself. That being how she was seen as a useless girl much like Sakura since '05/06 and now has high expectations shoved onto her character because she has a keyblade. The mere fact she had a keyblade at all was both seen as a horrible thing and then something that led to people expecting her to be on par with Sora from the jump.

Kairi's character in general has a wack view from the fanbase that it feels pretty telling that the one time her reception was mainly positive was when she was playable and exactly on par with Sora. Expectations for her are so high people got pissed when """"her game"""" had her turn into Sora which drowned out literally everything else. All they could think about was how she was sidelined in """"HER GAME"""".

Then we go back to the KH2 times, where she was seen as basically Sakura, someone who SHOULD be shoved aside because she's useless and gets in the way of the yaoi ship.

It makes me feel like parts of the fanbase don't see her as a character and only saw her as either something to be tossed out or something that needs to be perfect compared to every other character.

I may have phrased my entire point poorly as hell, or I'm just delusional. But if there's anything I have to say, it's that Audo has allowed me to talk about something that isn't restrained to the 140 page when we expecting news thread or the KH manga thread and it's giving me relief in a way.

 

[BufferAqua]

Rather I believe the big issue stems from the very fanbase itself. That being how she was seen as a useless girl much like Sakura since '05/06 and now has high expectations shoved onto her character because she has a keyblade.

I like Sakura and I like Kairi…

I’m starting to think I like poorly written female characters in media that primarily focus on the male ones just because I like their design and aesthetic…

But I also really like pink.

I genuinely don't understand the point of replying to a thread that's long reached a consensus and has been dormant for years with a new contrary perspective if you're not trying to guide the existing discussion in a new direction. Especially when we have no new information on the subject. But Audo says that wasn't the intention, so I guess it wasn't.

But then again, there are a lot of things about human interaction I still don't understand so

As long as it isn’t against the rules to revive a thread that hasn’t been posted since 2 years ago then I don’t particularly see anything wrong with what Audo is doing. Like Launchpad said, it doesn’t automatically mean they were trying to change anyone’s opinion just by voicing a contrary perspective.

 

[Chaser]

Please don't necrobump.