How did Ventus not age for twelve years? The organization members still physically aged even without hearts
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"That boy in the mask is history"
...what? I'm sorry Ven, but when did that happen?
In KH1 Agrabah when you have to open the locks on the walls to progress, Sora pushes his keyblade in upside down. Like... the spikes point upwards. That's not how keyholes work, you can't just thrust it in any way you want. Always bothers me a bit.
Why was the organization so obsessed with turning other people into heartless? Did they really think that they would also take a human form like Ansem, or did they just not have enough nobody bosses like Twilight Thorn lying around to do the dirty work?
Yen Sid said:Your past endeavors did prevent an immense effusion of Heartless fromthe great darkness; make no mistake about that.
However, the Heartless aredarkness made real---and darkness lingers yet in every heart.
The Heartless are fewer. But while darkness exists in a single heart, it will be difficult to eliminate them.
Xemnas said:The Keyblade master is once again walking the path. Let us plant
some seeds in that path. Go.
Axel said:Every Heartless slain with that Keyblade releases a captive heart. That is what the Organization is after.
Port Royal said:(Luxord appears and takes the heart from the Heartless, sending it to Kingdom
Hearts)
Luxord: Sora, bravo.
(He vanishes as they run up to him)
Jack Sparrow: Just who was that chap?
Sora: He's part of an Organization that's collecting hearts. First they release
Heartless into different worlds. We defeat those Heartless. Then they get the
hearts. We're never gonna stop 'em like this.
So... Vanitas is the only person that can summon the unversed, correct? The Evil Queen doesn't count (was going to include the evil stepmother, but I have no idea if she summoned the cursed coach or not)?
Square could've very well had a whole seperate org of Disney villain nobodies if they wanted. Heck, before BBS retconned the dragon form, one might've made the argument of Maleficent having a nobody as well.That is actually a really good headcanon.
Dunno about that. I always thought others like Shan Yu were "Heartlessized", they just didn't make it obvious. If you look at what Maleficent's description of Clayton was, it's not that different from Scar.
(This created my own nitpick: if the Organization were the ones who released Jafar to make him a Heartless, did they do it? And if they didn't, why? Their overall absence there is weird)
- Why Aladdin or Sora don't just use the Genie to wish the Xehanort's away / to save everyone / for the X-Blade / etc. I mean, yes, I know why. But it's jarring when they keep insisting on having Genie show up just for them to waste the wishes on things that are minor inconveniences. At least use the wish to complete the world so we don't have to spend another hour in Agrabah staring at the same sand dune again.
Wasn't it more like the negativity of the Queen turning the Spirit of the Mirror into an Unversed?
She didn't summon anything as far as I recall, but I do faintly recall that the scene was different in the japanese and english version of the original BBS.
Considering that Unversed are basically just emotions given a tangible form and that they can apparently change form to a certain extent, it is also possible that i.e. the negativity of Lady Tremaine just attracted an already existing Unversed which then morphed into the Cursed Coach due to some memory shenanigans...or Vanitas just sat in a tree somewhere and thought hey, a pumpkin Unversed would be fitting for the setting, let's create one from scratch.
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PS, now it can finally be said: It's over 9000, lool.
Why Aladdin or Sora don't just use the Genie to wish the Xehanort's away / to save everyone / for the X-Blade / etc. I mean, yes, I know why. But it's jarring when they keep insisting on having Genie show up just for them to waste the wishes on things that are minor inconveniences. At least use the wish to complete the world so we don't have to spend another hour in Agrabah staring at the same sand dune again.
- Why Aladdin or Sora don't just use the Genie to wish the Xehanort's away / to save everyone / for the X-Blade / etc. I mean, yes, I know why. But it's jarring when they keep insisting on having Genie show up just for them to waste the wishes on things that are minor inconveniences. At least use the wish to complete the world so we don't have to spend another hour in Agrabah staring at the same sand dune again.
Well, after the first KH they can't for he is not Lamp-bound anymore and he can't grant wishes, he just has magical powers (also weaker according to Disney lore).
Crap, I need to draw this.So... did Vanitas look like 14 year old Sora when he was first created? Did he have a baby face and then transition into the KHII Sora face, or did he always just have an unusual amount of testosterone for a newborn?
PS, now it can finally be said: It's over 9000, lool.
Square could've very well had a whole seperate org of Disney villain nobodies if they wanted. Heck, before BBS retconned the dragon form, one might've made the argument of Maleficent having a nobody as well.
I headcanon that it was Riku who let Jafar out, so he could kill Jafar off for good. The actual bossfight with Sora being a distraction while Riku smashed the lamp. Since it's not identified who arranged for Jafar's escape, it could well be anyone in a black coat. Besides, if it were an actual org member.....
Why wouldn't the Org use Jafar to wish their hearts back or literally anything else they'd want? At least in Pete's case he's an idiot so it's expected of him to not recognize an opportunity. Org13 don't get off that lightly.
Hades is the only one who still manages to have impact and character.
Huh? I thought this would be obvious even from KH 2 itself?
Like Yen Sid explains that closing the Door to Darkness and recreating the World walls prevented an influx of new Heartless from the RoD into the worlds, but the Organisation needs to collect Hearts for their artificial KH so they go about turning people into Heartless in order for Sora to defeat them and then collect the hearts freed by the Keyblade (which in turn prevents the hearts from reuniting with their other parts and reforming the original person) for their KH.
The second visits to Land of Dragons and Port Royal even deal exclusively with that and if I remember correctly Luxord even mentions something in regards to that.
Note how Yen Sid explicitly says the Heartless are fewer, yet during the game itself compared to KH 1 it doesn't come over that way. This is because both the Organisation and Maleficent/Pete are artificially increasing the number of them.
In one of the extra scenes of KH 2 FM Xemnas also indirectly mentions deliberately putting Heartless into Sora's way:
The "Go." obviously refers to ordering the other Organisation members to roam the worlds and do just that.
In order for there being captive hearts to collect, Heartless need to be around, hence the Organisation going around turning people into more Heartless. It's even possible they engineered Maleficent's return for this purpose too, as her ordering Pete to create more Heartless also just plays into the Organisation's hands.
As seen in the last quote, even Sora gets what exactly the Organisation is doing and why they create Heartless.
Or in short, the Organisation turned people into Heartless to have more of them around so they could capture more hearts when they were released by the Keyblade.
This is one of the reasons btw which rabid Organisation XIII fans tend to brush aside when it comes to the issue of why Yen Sid, Mickey and Sora wanted the Organisation to be destroyed and what Riku meant by them "messing up the worlds".
Turning people into Heartless and then prey on capturing their hearts once released by the Keyblade is pretty messed up after all.
Wasn't it more like the negativity of the Queen turning the Spirit of the Mirror into an Unversed?
She didn't summon anything as far as I recall, but I do faintly recall that the scene was different in the japanese and english version of the original BBS.
Considering that Unversed are basically just emotions given a tangible form and that they can apparently change form to a certain extent, it is also possible that i.e. the negativity of Lady Tremaine just attracted an already existing Unversed which then morphed into the Cursed Coach due to some memory shenanigans...or Vanitas just sat in a tree somewhere and thought hey, a pumpkin Unversed would be fitting for the setting, let's create one from scratch.
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PS, now it can finally be said: It's over 9000, lool.