Kingdom Hearts 3 Story Discussion

[Sephiroth0812]

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Xehanort referred to Eraqus as a blueblood in one of the Secret Reports. Blueblood is a descendant from the Keyblade War Era/Keyblade Line/Dandelions (Blue Blood is normally referring to Nobility anyway.) The later Secret Reports very strongly imply that Luxu

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is currently using Braig/Xigbar's body. Whether there is any or ever a Braig/Xigbar during Luxu's control is unclear.

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I see, if I understand this correctly everyone coming from the X-era as well as those who have become wielders because of them are "bluebloods"?
This would then include Ephemer, Skuld, Lauriam, Elrena, Luxord, Demyx and Ventus directly from the X-era and probably Aqua, Terra, Kairi and Riku due to furthering the line.
Sora, Roxas and Xion would then be an interesting case as they didn't get their keyblades the regular way.

If there is or ever was an actual individual named Braig/Xigbar or if it was always Luxu speaking and acting is indeed an important question.

And now I do realize that him constantly referring to the "angry look" from Ventus (and later Sora too) may go further and deeper than the chronological first time we see during the finale of BBS.
Heck, him seeing Xion as Ven in Days may also have deeper reasons than thought so far.

If he's indeed the new main villain in the second saga I think that's what's called a "Dragon Ascendant" trope since he posed as Xehanort's right hand man/dragon for all the time yet now takes center stage.

 

[Nukara]

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Why do “Ears” on Kairi hood resemble Chirithy's ears?
Is this somehow connected?
Knowing Nomura, maybe Kairi is somehow related to Chirithy.

 

[U.N. Owen]

The first time I watched Back Cover, I didn't see much lust out of Luxu despite his name being form of the word "luxuria." It's safe to say I can now see it fully. Lust isn't just sexual desire, but it covers what we would call passion and even obsession. Luxu in Back Cover and X came off as following a script without much passion for it, but cheating death through multiple generations just to fulfill the Master's plan is what I would call passion for the job.

 

[David/Vaddix]

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So I know Xehanort's past selves are displaced in time but it seems different for everyone else. Vanitas said they recreated his heart from negative energy so he was basically revived right? Or was he also brought forward through time? Also, is the Riku Replica a new replica or the old one from the past?

 

[Xblade13]

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So I know Xehanort's past selves are displaced in time but it seems different for everyone else. Vanitas said they recreated his heart from negative energy so he was basically revived right? Or was he also brought forward through time? Also, is the Riku Replica a new replica or the old one from the past?

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I'm not sure about Vanitas, but Organization Riku was the KH1 Riku possessed by Ansem. Real Riku Replica from Chain of Memories was in Riku's heart the whole time and saves the good guys by sacrificing himself.

The ones sent through time were Ansem, Xemnas, Young Xehanort, Riku, and Xion. They were sent as hearts, and had bodies waiting for them in the form of Replicas. Destroying these Replica bodies sends the heart back to the time it belongs.

Xigbar, Saix, Demyx Luxord, Marluxia, Larxene were prevented from becoming real people again and are just still the Nobodies as far as I can tell. If they were time traveled, then the same rule about Replicas applies, but instead they get recompleted. Demyx in the end isn't one of the final XIII.

Vanitas I'm not sure.

Master Xehanort, Vexen and Terra are recompleted beings. Vexen isn't one of the final XIII.

 

[faemarch]

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Just watched the Final World part from a Japanese stream, after speaking with Chirithy, Sora has some voiced dialogue with Namine and Nameless Star. (Rewatched it on KeytoTruth's Youtube stream and they missed the dialogue by not inspecting each of the stars before activating the portal.)

Nameless Star tells Sora a name upon his request, but it intentionally isn't audible to us gahh.

 

[Squood!]

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Just watched the Final World part from a Japanese stream, after speaking with Chirithy, Sora has some voiced dialogue with Namine and Nameless Star. (Rewatched it on KeytoTruth's Youtube stream and they missed the dialogue by not inspecting each of the stars before activating the portal.)

Nameless Star tells Sora her name upon his request, but it intentionally isn't audible to us gahh.

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Am I gonna have to hope people inspect the stars instead of going straight for the Portal when blind playthroughs start showing up, or is there a cutscene that shows the stars to ya?

 

[UnicornisLord14]

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I'm not sure about Vanitas, but Organization Riku was the KH1 Riku possessed by Ansem. Real Riku Replica from Chain of Memories was in Riku's heart the whole time and saves the good guys by sacrificing himself.

The ones sent through time were Ansem, Xemnas, Young Xehanort, Riku, and Xion. They were sent as hearts, and had bodies waiting for them in the form of Replicas. Destroying these Replica bodies sends the heart back to the time it belongs.

Xigbar, Saix, Demyx Luxord, Marluxia, Larxene were prevented from becoming real people again and are just still the Nobodies as far as I can tell. If they were time traveled, then the same rule about Replicas applies, but instead they get recompleted. Demyx in the end isn't one of the final XIII.

Vanitas I'm not sure.

Master Xehanort, Vexen and Terra are recompleted beings. Vexen isn't one of the final XIII.

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Hold on, Xion is one of the members who traveled through time? How?

 

[faemarch]

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Am I gonna have to hope people inspect the stars instead of going straight for the Portal when blind playthroughs start showing up, or is there a cutscene that shows the stars to ya?

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After the initial dialogue with Chirithy, you're left to collect/run into the other Soras in the surrounding area ala KH3D. There are also a bunch of shimmery, clear stars scattered around the area that you can inspect, two of which start dialogue cutscenes for Namine and Nameless Star. The other stars have flavor text.
The game doesn't explicitly tell you to inspect the stars iirc, so you gotta hope that streamers check them all out before going into the portal after collecting all the Soras.

 

[*TwilightNight*]

I can't even come to the implications of the epilogue considering what I just read. The leaker really needs to upload a video of Sora in the Final World because it appears some crucial things happen there that's been revealed due to people following a stream (and one that pertains to Naminé and why she's in the voice credits):

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• Nameless Star, more than likely is Strelitzia, judging by the statements EpicHood provided to find out who the character was. She's been dead for a long time and made a promise to someone and is waiting (probably Player in KHUx, but you know, could also be her older brother Lauriam).
• She does provide her name to Sora, but it is inaudible.
• Therefore, Nameless Star in the credits has nothing to do with Mystery Girl X or that she's the "Star" to Lea's Sun and Isa's Moon. That doesn't negate that X isn't Skuld, however.
• Naminé is confirmed to have really died along with Kairi when she was offed along with everyone by the Demon Tide.
  She's the other rotating star that's seen there and that Sora can talk to.
• Basically, the stars are people whose body and heart died simultaneously, but are not ready to move on or let go, so their hearts stay in the Final World.
• It's the KH equivalent to "Limbo" really. It's good that we're finally getting some light shed on where people go when they die in this series.
• Sora is shocked, and exclaims her name.
• For some reason, Roxas and Naminé flashbacks "start to appear". EDIT. Finally found the cut scene and its context. It seems it's Sora's flashbacks to Naminè with himself, Roxas, and Kairi. Not sure what they are talking about, but Sora thanks her. Finally.
• This isn't what floored me though and it almost makes up for Nomura excluding her from screen time, because she does actually have a role, just not as a party member to battle.
• Based on a conversation with a Twitter user who followed the stream, Naminé legit stated that she will call upon Lingering Will(Terra) when they revert time. It's to change their fates, saying it's the way she'll fight.
• That's all the information.

Bluntly put, Naminé is the reason why everyone was able to get through this obstacle and win over the Demon Tide, single handedly saving everyone's asses. This makes her role one of the most influential to winning this war. It also ties in perfectly with the conversation her and Lingering Will have in the First Breath concert, so it's not shafted. It's a shame she had to get her time to shine as a disembodied star, but hey.

I feel Naminé is the most overpowered character we have thus far in this cast, and she doesn't need a weapon to be useful, despite that she possibly can wield a Keyblade due to being Kairi's Nobody. The more Sora befriends and connects with people, the more her influence expands. She can fry a heart/brain (Riku Replica in CoM), make objects take form in the real world (the star charm), rearrange, manipulate, see, and replace memories and lock them, and if she follows a chain deep enough, she can connect with other people through the people connected to Sora. Enough to guide LW back to the Keyblade Graveyard to help.

This deus ex machina sweetheart.

Also, due to this and the Epilogue -

The only female characters that we know of left to be Mystery Girl X is Skuld, Elrena, and Ava.

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Hold on, Xion is one of the members who traveled through time? How?

It's more than likely a theory.

 

[Nukara]

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You could not throw off the dialogue between Sora and the Nameless Star and Namine, because I can’t find this dialogue on youtube.
Well, in general, the Nameless Star is Mom Sora who did not wait for her son to come to dinner. XD Well, seriously, it’s definitely not Strelitzia for her heart was not destroyed, but went to the Kingdom hearts and it was Sculd, for the reason that, according to your words, Sora was shocked on her behalf.
This is definitely the character we knew earlier.
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If she really turns out to be Kairi's grandmother (Lost Friend of Eragus and Xehanort XD) I will laugh loudly.

 

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Am I the only one that finds it interesting that the next update concerning KHUx focuses on Elrena and Brain/Blaine? The update coming in January 31st? The date that the Secret Ending also releases?

Hmm.

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You could not throw off the dialogue between Sora and the Nameless Star and Namine, because I can’t find this dialogue on youtube.
Well, in general, the Nameless Star is Mom Sora who did not wait for her son to come to dinner. XD Well, seriously, it’s definitely not Strelitzia for her heart was not destroyed, but went to the Kingdom hearts and it was Sculd, for the reason that, according to your words, Sora was shocked on her behalf.
This is definitely the character we knew earlier.
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If she really turns out to be Kairi's grandmother (Lost Friend of Eragus and Xehanort XD) I will laugh loudly.

First, your heart doesn't need to be destroyed to go to the Final World because the whole point is that's the place where hearts go when they are not ready to pass on. It might have been misinterpreted with the heart and body "dying" (after all, it's structured in Japanese).

Sora was shocked and exclaimed "Naminè?!", understandably so. The shock was about Naminè, not Nameless Star.

And second, you wouldn't find this on Youtube because it's a STREAM. A stream is watching someone play the game in real time. Things like Twitch cater to that. It was Bizkit's(?) stream I believe. This information comes from the people that have watched it. Both from ResetEra and Twitter.

The name Strelitzia is not said, but it is heavily implied it's her. She's the only other dead character that has a semblance of relevance to be granted a cutscene and we know she's offed in KHUx.

One star is Naminè.

The other star is Nameless, but once more...

On the other hand, it looks like Gula and Ava are leaning to be the other most blatant couple next to Sora/Kairi and Sora/Riku (don't @ me). I was like, whoa, in Back Cover. And now with the Epilogue he's the only one who cares enough to ask for details on her.

 

[XAROS]

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without much context and only reading spoilers, I believe the nameless star is the forteller, Ava

 

[destiny seeker]

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Is it me... or does it look like the box was opened (Sorry if this was said already)

 

[*TwilightNight*]

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without much context and only reading spoilers, I believe the nameless star is the forteller, Ava

Are you saying she's dead?

 

[XAROS]

Are you saying she's dead?

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not necessarily, but there is a logical assumption that all of them “died” and were just bought back. I’d like to believe they aren’t ominous beings. Even Luxus had to jump from body to body. And Ava wasn’t summoned in the epilogue

 

[*TwilightNight*]

I want to make it clear, just in case:

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I think some are getting confused cause I mentioned Skuld in there. But recall that others were thinking, back when it was just the end credits, that Nameless Star was Skuld (rather, Mystery Girl X who people are leaning to being Skuld), and that it made sense cause she has star earrings and a star hip chain. And that she would appear in the Epilogue along with Naminè, whose voice was credited, but the ending cutscene didn't have her speak. We didn't have the context of the Final World until the JP release. Now that we do, it turns out Nameless Star was a Nameless Star in the Final World, not Skuld, not X.


Also, not offed by Master Xehanort, but when Kairi first died in the Demon Tide with everybody else, sorry. I'll edit.

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not necessarily, but there is a logical assumption that all of them “died” and were just bought back. I’d like to believe they aren’t ominous beings. Even Luxus had to jump from body to body. And Ava wasn’t summoned in the epilogue

The Secret Reports imply time traveling shenanigans to "worldlines".

 

[Graceful Schemer]

About the princesses:

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Anyone catch anything beyond Rapunzel, Anna, and Elsa being ones? Starting to think new princesses might have something to do with worldlines. Two/Three Worldlines = Two/Three Sets of Seven Hearts?

About another thing:

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I know Namine mentioned Terra in her dialogue, can't really recall much beyond this at the moment. I could be wrong, but I think the Nameless Star tells Sora 'that person''s name rather than herself. I thought it makes sense since 'that person' would not have a singular name if she is Strelitzia.

About the Epilogue:

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I think that Gula-Ava and Ira-Invi are kind of set-up. Gula and Invi also seems to have a sibling-like relationship while Ava is like everyone but Gula (and Luxu)'s little sister. Luxu was careless. For someone whose job is the watcher, he got watched unless this is intentional or he thinks that this is inconsequential.

With only the Secret Ending left:

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I just want to see No.IX-XII with their original eye colour.

After

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seeing The Final World, I think the two Chirithies are not the same necessarily one and the same.

 

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I finally found the Final World scene too and edited my post accordingly.

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It seems it's Sora's flashbacks about Naminè with himself, Roxas, and Kairi. Not sure what they are talking about, but I can guess Naminè explains why she's there, maybe Sora gets reminded that she should be her own person too, I don't know. I'm not sure why the leaker decided to skip this scene. Sora thanks her though. Finally.

I wonder what the Secret Ending is about, Ava?

 

[Graceful Schemer]

I appreciate that everything the director said about KHIII and

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KHUX

are exactly as he described it.