KINGDOM HEARTS 2.8 Off Screen Gameplay from TGS 2016

[kirabook]

I've been thinking about the fabric in the new graphics a lot. It's kind of a conundrum in my mind? I doubt they want the cloth look like REALLL cloth (because that won't fit in every Disney setting), but one can clearly see they put a little but of texture on some stuff like Disney and Pixar do with with their animated movies... but something doesn't seem to be working.

Mickey's glove for example. It doesn't look horrible, but the light hitting it makes it look wrong. Somewhat the same with Aqua's sleeves texture wise.

I'm not sure how flowy they can make the fabric with the animation part of things. How I would love for the flow of the prerendered openings/endings, but that seems to be a technology still out of reach??? -or is this just laziness or is it optimization??-

 

[Oracle Spockanort]

I've been thinking about the fabric in the new graphics a lot. It's kind of a conundrum in my mind? I doubt they want the cloth look like REALLL cloth (because that won't fit in every Disney setting), but one can clearly see they put a little but of texture on some stuff like Disney and Pixar do with with their animated movies... but something doesn't seem to be working.

Mickey's glove for example. It doesn't look horrible, but the light hitting it makes it look wrong. Somewhat the same with Aqua's sleeves texture wise.

It feels like a weird default they are using right now because Mickey's glove and Aqua's sleeves are the same texture. It would be better if the weaving was smaller or less pronounced, maybe smoothed? I would hope they get to that next.

It definitely doesn't need to look like real fabric, but if they are going this far it'd be nice if they made the fabrics act like real fabrics do.

I'm not sure how flowy they can make the fabric with the animation part of things. How I would love for the flow of the prerendered openings/endings, but that seems to be a technology still out of reach??? -or is this just laziness or is it optimization??-

It doesn't need to flow as much as it needs to be less of a stiff thick piece of almost perfectly rectangular cloth.

 

[ultima-demi]

I can't believe some people think it's the TV that's making the difference.

Like honestly,what must you be on to think that.What TV settings could do such a big change.It's like they don't want to see 2.8 improve graphically.

 

[Chaser]

They're obviously playing the demo at TGS on PSPro

 

[Grizzly]

They're obviously playing the demo at TGS on PSPro

PSPro doesn't make a significant enough difference for it to really matter. Unless they are playing on 4K TVs, there's likely little to no difference at all. Game looks great, it's such a significant improvement than I honestly expected.

 

[Oracle Spockanort]

PSPro doesn't make a significant enough difference for it to really matter. Unless they are playing on 4K TVs, there's likely little to no difference at all. Game looks great, it's such a significant improvement than I honestly expected.

He was making a joke xD

 

[Chaser]

PSPro doesn't make a significant enough difference for it to really matter. Unless they are playing on 4K TVs, there's likely little to no difference at all. Game looks great, it's such a significant improvement than I honestly expected.

Grizzly, what happened to your original edit!? :O

 

[Grizzly]

Grizzly, what happened to your original edit!? :O

Oh my, I think I went to fix or add something and must have deleted it. I in fact said that I realized you were making a joke lol. Oh dear. These are dark times.

 

[kirabook]

I still noticed some weird animation issues. Like when the scene is panning over to Terra on the stairs and the back of Aqua's head, she clearly stops animating before the camera can make the jump cut and it looks weird. And still on some peoples playthroughs, I see Aqua's hair jolt back as Terra disappears, but on some of them her hair stays still. Don't know if it's supposed to stay still or move, but it looks better staying still.

And there are just some other small things I noticed. Maybe the screenshots were taken at a different point in her speech, but they've even fixed some of my grips with her mouth movements looks like. Before, it looked like she had an overbite. Or maybe it's just a difference in Japanese and English

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As for the silly people saying it's just a tv setting, I'm gonna put one of the images in photoshop and see if I can change just some 'tv settings' and get the same result

EDIT:
Wellllll, the obvious conclusion is that with just some 'tv screen' settings (saturation, lightness/darkness, and possibly temperature, you can't just change how it looks.

Before:

After:

The lightsource that plays on her skin and even the background behind her is just different. It's as if before, the light source was really close to the character models. There's so much more shadow in her eyes and on her face and hair. There's no way a TV setting can change that. Maybe someone better at photoshop can just change screen like settings to replicate the new screenshots without actually editing anything.

I wish the people who are saying that would admit they actually improved the models and stop acting like nothing's changed. They should be extremely excited to see them increasing the quality every new clip we get.

 

[Squood!]

@Kirabook Yeah, it's pretty annoying how some people just like to think that nothing has changed aside from lighting, or believe that the difference is because of TV settings and think that Terra looks different at TGS because of a TV angle, or that one guy saying that nothing has changed at all and that it's useless to compare "camera footage of a TV and DIRECT footage is the only way to compare" and now I'm just rambling about my gripes with Internet people I better stop.

 

[ultima-demi]

Sheesh..there's people going hard on reddit about it being just the TV settings that's making the difference.

Why are some people going so far in trying to prove the game doesn't graphically look better..shouldn't it be the opposite.

 

[Squood!]

Sheesh..there's people going hard on reddit about it being just the TV settings that's making the difference.

Why are some people going so far in trying to prove the game doesn't graphically look better..shouldn't it be the opposite.

Probably so they can overuse the word plastic more and force Square to make it look like Final Fantasy XV or something. :T

There's even one guy on the KH reddit comparing the TGS demo footage and the E3 demo to the E3 2016 trailer just to prove that the two demos are just "DRASTICALLY altered by recorded footage of TVs"

 

[Sorakh212]

Good find! I seriously hope Sony releases this demo on PSN soon. I'd love to play it and see what it's like for myself. It looks like they've changed and or improved quite a bit since last we say this at E3. Wish somebody could just capture gameplay footage instead of having to record with a camera. Still this is really good quality all things considered.

 

[alexis.anagram]

So glad to see the E3 issues have been and are being addressed; as far as I'm concerned these updated graphics have me on board. Vindication is a good feeling. It's also nice to not be so distracted and distressed by the aesthetics that I can pay attention to other things, like holy smokes Aqua is a fast runner.

 

[Squood!]

Don't Be Fooled By People Claiming 2.8 Got a Major Graphical Upgrade at TGS - Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue - KH13.com Forum - KH13.com, for Kingdom Hearts

Ugh, ya know what? Forget it. There's no way to get through to this guy. This is stale, yo.

 

[Muke]

Don't Be Fooled By People Claiming 2.8 Got a Major Graphical Upgrade at TGS - Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue - KH13.com Forum - KH13.com, for Kingdom Hearts

Ugh, ya know what? Forget it. There's no way to get through to this guy. This is stale, yo.

typical kh13
Yeah, no, people just won't accept it. It's no use talking to a rock

 

[alexis.anagram]

Don't Be Fooled By People Claiming 2.8 Got a Major Graphical Upgrade at TGS - Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue - KH13.com Forum - KH13.com, for Kingdom Hearts

Ugh, ya know what? Forget it. There's no way to get through to this guy. This is stale, yo.

It sounds like they're just skeptical and they'll be more convinced when another trailer is released with these improved scenes, and/or when the game comes out. Off screen footage is unreliable as a lot of apologists were adamant about reminding people during E3 when that initial off screen capture of the hideous Terra model started circulating.

 

[Dandelion]

Well, to be fair, plenty of people from KHI saw the demo in action - and the complaints about the models and textures were made there and then, and I trust our friends here that there was a marked difference between what they saw then and what we're seeing now.

Hell, a camera angle can't fix Aqua's hair's antialiasing, but look how great it looks here and in the trailer.

 

[Taochan]

It sounds like they're just skeptical and they'll be more convinced when another trailer is released with these improved scenes, and/or when the game comes out. Off screen footage is unreliable as a lot of apologists were adamant about reminding people during E3 when that initial off screen capture of the hideous Terra model started circulating.

I played the demo at E3 and everything from TGS looks visually looks quite improved honestly.

 

[Oracle Spockanort]

It sounds like they're just skeptical and they'll be more convinced when another trailer is released with these improved scenes, and/or when the game comes out. Off screen footage is unreliable as a lot of apologists were adamant about reminding people during E3 when that initial off screen capture of the hideous Terra model started circulating.

I played the demo a month before E3 and at E3 and I can say with 1000% certainty that the off-screen footage from TGS is a vast improvement.

Aqua's face has color in it now, and Terra looks like he has a completely new face.