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1. How exactly does Sora return back in time or went into different timeline? Is it just power of waking
& for the second time why he wasn’t able to rewrite history as first

2. who is the one who restore the heart of Xion and Roxas, Future sora or the present one ?

3. How did Xion remembered her name and how Roxas remembered her ?

4. Where was terra’s heart residing? And how it came back?

5. how did Mickey talked to future Sora?

6. How can Cid know from Data Sora and the organization the location of Sora?

7. How did future Sora manifest himself durning the fight of lingering will vs Xehonart

8. How did Namine track Terra?
 

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1. It's complicated. It's important to keep in mind: Sora did NOT travel back in time to save his friends at the Keyblade Graveyard. It only SEEMED like he did. After Sora and the others got killed by the Demon Tide, Sora appeared in the Final World, where Chirithy helped him piece himself back together into his physical form that Kairi was holding together via her Princess of Heart powers. After piecing himself back together, Sora returns to the Realm of Light by using the power of waking. Now, normally, the power of waking is supposed to be used in tandem with people's hearts to either return them to their original state, or to travel to worlds that they've personally been to. But in this case, Sora uses the pow to travel to worlds by using the hearts of the worlds themselves (this is what happens when Sora is diving into the different world portals to chase after the Lich), which as Young Xehanort states, is a big no-no. Once at each world, Sora encounters his friends' hearts and souls which are in the process of being dragged off into the darkness by the Lich. Sora uses the power of waking to resurrect them back to life. But this is another gross misuse of that ability: the power of waking is supposed to be used to return a heart to its original state, which is technically what Sora is doing (returning a dead heart back to its original living state), but of course, this is not how the power is intended to be used, and it runs counter to the laws of nature. Because of how many times Sora flouts this cosmic law, he disrupts the universe to such a degree that it creates, as Nomura put it, "a singularity" that completely screws up the timeline. So, when Sora returns to the Keyblade Graveyard, again by using the power of waking to travel there directly, the universe tries to course-correct by resetting everything the way it was before the incident. This is why the sequence that plays out between the Guardians and Terra-Xehanort is exactly the same—in that moment, the universe basically tried to "forget" what had happened, and made things so that the same event would play out again as they were supposed to, causing everyone to get momentary amnesia and just go through the motions again. However, Namine, whom Sora had spoken with in the Final World, was immune to this, because she was able to reach out to the Lingering Will directly from the FW, which is itself outside of space and time. So, the universe wasn't able to erase her memory like it was with everyone else, allowing her to influence the new course of events. So, essentially, what happens the second time through is actually the exact same timeline as what happened the first time—in fact, it happens directly AFTER the first run-through. The universe just "forgot" it had happened before and basically pretended like everything was happening again for the first time, effectively starting everyone and everything back over from square one. But it was NOT time travel, and Sora did NOT create a new timeline by doing this. Sora was NEVER able to actually rewrite history, which is why he wasn't able to change the outcome of events when he went back the second time. The first time was less time travel and just a massive cosmic disruption that resulted in a do-over.
2. Future Sora restored both Xion's and Roxas' hearts. He unlocked both of their hearts from his Station of Awakening after both their hearts became awoken by the conflict going on between Sora and Xehanort-controlled Xion on the outside. After unlocking their hearts, Xion's heart transferred to her body, causing her to regain her memories (this happens at the moment when she starts crying and clutching her head), and Roxas' heart leaps out of Sora into his incoming replica vessel.
3. Well, Xion was created as a vessel to extract and contain Sora's power and memories. To do this, in 358/2 Days, she unknowingly sapped those memories and powers through Roxas, who was Sora's Nobody, and thus acted as a conduit for those things. Namine approached Xion and they both agreed that in order for Sora to be recompleted, he would need to be rejoined with Roxas, but Xion was making that impossible because of how she herself was absorbing Sora's powers and memories out of Roxas. The only way to undo that damage and make sure that Sora could be awoken whole and intact was if Xion gave all of those memories and powers back to Sora. A natural consequence of this, however, was that everyone who remembered Xion would forget that she existed, since all the memories that belonged to her would return to Sora, effectively becoming HIS memories, thereby making it as if Xion herself never existed. This is also a result of Namine's unique abilities to manipulate the memories of those connected with Sora. Once Xion's heart returned to her body, we can assume this effect was negated, and now that she was her own person again, she and everyone who knew her regained their memories of her. We can see this happening with Lea the moment Xion's hood is uncovered.
4. After being possessed by Master Xehanort in BBS, Terra's heart shared space with Xehanort's inside his body. During the final battle against Aqua, Xehanort also created the Guardian to act as both a defensive/offensive weapon but also as a container in which to transplant Terra's heart and mind, which were causing him consistent trouble in maintaining control. After losing his memories, Terra and Xehanort's hearts both shared space within the entity known as Apprentice Xehanort, but because both Xehanort's and Terra's minds were afflicted with amnesia, there was less conflict within him, as neither mind could remember who they really were or what had happened to them. After becoming Ansem Seeker of Darkness, Terra's heart went with Xehanort's and resided in the same Guardian creature that Terra-Xehanort had created, acting once again as a weapon and container for Terra's heart. After Ansem's defeat, and after Xemnas' destruction, both Master Xehanort and Terra became recompleted into their original selves. But since Master Xehanort still needed Terra as a vessel for the coming Keyblade War, he re-possessed him with his own heart which he had his younger self (Young Xehanort) bring forward from the past (in other words, MX planted the heart of his BBS self into Terra's recompleted body). Now, this new Terra-Xehanort was again able to use the same old trick of using the Guardian as a container for Terra's heart so he wouldn't interfere. Once Terra-Xehanort killed the Lingering Will, which was Terra's mind taking residence in his Keyblade armor, his mind rejoined with his heart inside the Guardian, giving Terra the semblance of identity required to successfully fight back against Xehanort's control once he was defeated by Sora, Aqua, and Ventus at the Skein of Severance.
5. Because Mickey has telepathic powers. He was also the one speaking to Sora in those dream sequences in KH1, as confirmed by the KH1 Ultimania. So, he can just do that.
6. Who knows? It was just a weak excuse to have the Data battles that all the fans were demanding. If I had to guess an in-world explanation, maybe they thought that one of the Organization members might have had some idea of where Sora's heart could have gone, and that their data recreations might hold that same information because data in the Kingdom Hearts universe is basically just science-magic.
7. Unknown. My only guess is that Sora wasn't ACTUALLY there, but was merely able to manifest there because he was residing inside Terra's heart at the time, and since the battle between the LW and Terra-Xehanort was basically a battle between Terra's mind and his heart (which was inside the Guardian), maybe Sora was able to pop out into the physical world for a brief while as a result of that friction. The truth is, though, I'm just not sure.
8. Namine was able to located Terra's mind from the Final World due to Sora's previous encounter with the Lingering Will in KH2, and since Namine's special powers relate to everyone connected with Sora, she was able to track Terra's mind and influence him from the Final World.
 

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1. It's complicated. It's important to keep in mind: Sora did NOT travel back in time to save his friends at the Keyblade Graveyard. It only SEEMED like he did. After Sora and the others got killed by the Demon Tide, Sora appeared in the Final World, where Chirithy helped him piece himself back together into his physical form that Kairi was holding together via her Princess of Heart powers. After piecing himself back together, Sora returns to the Realm of Light by using the power of waking. Now, normally, the power of waking is supposed to be used in tandem with people's hearts to either return them to their original state, or to travel to worlds that they've personally been to. But in this case, Sora uses the pow to travel to worlds by using the hearts of the worlds themselves (this is what happens when Sora is diving into the different world portals to chase after the Lich), which as Young Xehanort states, is a big no-no. Once at each world, Sora encounters his friends' hearts and souls which are in the process of being dragged off into the darkness by the Lich. Sora uses the power of waking to resurrect them back to life. But this is another gross misuse of that ability: the power of waking is supposed to be used to return a heart to its original state, which is technically what Sora is doing (returning a dead heart back to its original living state), but of course, this is not how the power is intended to be used, and it runs counter to the laws of nature. Because of how many times Sora flouts this cosmic law, he disrupts the universe to such a degree that it creates, as Nomura put it, "a singularity" that completely screws up the timeline. So, when Sora returns to the Keyblade Graveyard, again by using the power of waking to travel there directly, the universe tries to course-correct by resetting everything the way it was before the incident. This is why the sequence that plays out between the Guardians and Terra-Xehanort is exactly the same—in that moment, the universe basically tried to "forget" what had happened, and made things so that the same event would play out again as they were supposed to, causing everyone to get momentary amnesia and just go through the motions again. However, Namine, whom Sora had spoken with in the Final World, was immune to this, because she was able to reach out to the Lingering Will directly from the FW, which is itself outside of space and time. So, the universe wasn't able to erase her memory like it was with everyone else, allowing her to influence the new course of events. So, essentially, what happens the second time through is actually the exact same timeline as what happened the first time—in fact, it happens directly AFTER the first run-through. The universe just "forgot" it had happened before and basically pretended like everything was happening again for the first time, effectively starting everyone and everything back over from square one. But it was NOT time travel, and Sora did NOT create a new timeline by doing this. Sora was NEVER able to actually rewrite history, which is why he wasn't able to change the outcome of events when he went back the second time. The first time was less time travel and just a massive cosmic disruption that resulted in a do-over.
2. Future Sora restored both Xion's and Roxas' hearts. He unlocked both of their hearts from his Station of Awakening after both their hearts became awoken by the conflict going on between Sora and Xehanort-controlled Xion on the outside. After unlocking their hearts, Xion's heart transferred to her body, causing her to regain her memories (this happens at the moment when she starts crying and clutching her head), and Roxas' heart leaps out of Sora into his incoming replica vessel.
3. Well, Xion was created as a vessel to extract and contain Sora's power and memories. To do this, in 358/2 Days, she unknowingly sapped those memories and powers through Roxas, who was Sora's Nobody, and thus acted as a conduit for those things. Namine approached Xion and they both agreed that in order for Sora to be recompleted, he would need to be rejoined with Roxas, but Xion was making that impossible because of how she herself was absorbing Sora's powers and memories out of Roxas. The only way to undo that damage and make sure that Sora could be awoken whole and intact was if Xion gave all of those memories and powers back to Sora. A natural consequence of this, however, was that everyone who remembered Xion would forget that she existed, since all the memories that belonged to her would return to Sora, effectively becoming HIS memories, thereby making it as if Xion herself never existed. This is also a result of Namine's unique abilities to manipulate the memories of those connected with Sora. Once Xion's heart returned to her body, we can assume this effect was negated, and now that she was her own person again, she and everyone who knew her regained their memories of her. We can see this happening with Lea the moment Xion's hood is uncovered.
4. After being possessed by Master Xehanort in BBS, Terra's heart shared space with Xehanort's inside his body. During the final battle against Aqua, Xehanort also created the Guardian to act as both a defensive/offensive weapon but also as a container in which to transplant Terra's heart and mind, which were causing him consistent trouble in maintaining control. After losing his memories, Terra and Xehanort's hearts both shared space within the entity known as Apprentice Xehanort, but because both Xehanort's and Terra's minds were afflicted with amnesia, there was less conflict within him, as neither mind could remember who they really were or what had happened to them. After becoming Ansem Seeker of Darkness, Terra's heart went with Xehanort's and resided in the same Guardian creature that Terra-Xehanort had created, acting once again as a weapon and container for Terra's heart. After Ansem's defeat, and after Xemnas' destruction, both Master Xehanort and Terra became recompleted into their original selves. But since Master Xehanort still needed Terra as a vessel for the coming Keyblade War, he re-possessed him with his own heart which he had his younger self (Young Xehanort) bring forward from the past (in other words, MX planted the heart of his BBS self into Terra's recompleted body). Now, this new Terra-Xehanort was again able to use the same old trick of using the Guardian as a container for Terra's heart so he wouldn't interfere. Once Terra-Xehanort killed the Lingering Will, which was Terra's mind taking residence in his Keyblade armor, his mind rejoined with his heart inside the Guardian, giving Terra the semblance of identity required to successfully fight back against Xehanort's control once he was defeated by Sora, Aqua, and Ventus at the Skein of Severance.
5. Because Mickey has telepathic powers. He was also the one speaking to Sora in those dream sequences in KH1, as confirmed by the KH1 Ultimania. So, he can just do that.
6. Who knows? It was just a weak excuse to have the Data battles that all the fans were demanding. If I had to guess an in-world explanation, maybe they thought that one of the Organization members might have had some idea of where Sora's heart could have gone, and that their data recreations might hold that same information because data in the Kingdom Hearts universe is basically just science-magic.
7. Unknown. My only guess is that Sora wasn't ACTUALLY there, but was merely able to manifest there because he was residing inside Terra's heart at the time, and since the battle between the LW and Terra-Xehanort was basically a battle between Terra's mind and his heart (which was inside the Guardian), maybe Sora was able to pop out into the physical world for a brief while as a result of that friction. The truth is, though, I'm just not sure.
8. Namine was able to located Terra's mind from the Final World due to Sora's previous encounter with the Lingering Will in KH2, and since Namine's special powers relate to everyone connected with Sora, she was able to track Terra's mind and influence him from the Final World.
Thanks for the great answers. I will read it and interpret it :)
 

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1. It's complicated. It's important to keep in mind: Sora did NOT travel back in time to save his friends at the Keyblade Graveyard. It only SEEMED like he did. After Sora and the others got killed by the Demon Tide, Sora appeared in the Final World, where Chirithy helped him piece himself back together into his physical form that Kairi was holding together via her Princess of Heart powers. After piecing himself back together, Sora returns to the Realm of Light by using the power of waking. Now, normally, the power of waking is supposed to be used in tandem with people's hearts to either return them to their original state, or to travel to worlds that they've personally been to. But in this case, Sora uses the pow to travel to worlds by using the hearts of the worlds themselves (this is what happens when Sora is diving into the different world portals to chase after the Lich), which as Young Xehanort states, is a big no-no. Once at each world, Sora encounters his friends' hearts and souls which are in the process of being dragged off into the darkness by the Lich. Sora uses the power of waking to resurrect them back to life. But this is another gross misuse of that ability: the power of waking is supposed to be used to return a heart to its original state, which is technically what Sora is doing (returning a dead heart back to its original living state), but of course, this is not how the power is intended to be used, and it runs counter to the laws of nature. Because of how many times Sora flouts this cosmic law, he disrupts the universe to such a degree that it creates, as Nomura put it, "a singularity" that completely screws up the timeline. So, when Sora returns to the Keyblade Graveyard, again by using the power of waking to travel there directly, the universe tries to course-correct by resetting everything the way it was before the incident. This is why the sequence that plays out between the Guardians and Terra-Xehanort is exactly the same—in that moment, the universe basically tried to "forget" what had happened, and made things so that the same event would play out again as they were supposed to, causing everyone to get momentary amnesia and just go through the motions again. However, Namine, whom Sora had spoken with in the Final World, was immune to this, because she was able to reach out to the Lingering Will directly from the FW, which is itself outside of space and time. So, the universe wasn't able to erase her memory like it was with everyone else, allowing her to influence the new course of events. So, essentially, what happens the second time through is actually the exact same timeline as what happened the first time—in fact, it happens directly AFTER the first run-through. The universe just "forgot" it had happened before and basically pretended like everything was happening again for the first time, effectively starting everyone and everything back over from square one. But it was NOT time travel, and Sora did NOT create a new timeline by doing this. Sora was NEVER able to actually rewrite history, which is why he wasn't able to change the outcome of events when he went back the second time. The first time was less time travel and just a massive cosmic disruption that resulted in a do-over.
2. Future Sora restored both Xion's and Roxas' hearts. He unlocked both of their hearts from his Station of Awakening after both their hearts became awoken by the conflict going on between Sora and Xehanort-controlled Xion on the outside. After unlocking their hearts, Xion's heart transferred to her body, causing her to regain her memories (this happens at the moment when she starts crying and clutching her head), and Roxas' heart leaps out of Sora into his incoming replica vessel.
3. Well, Xion was created as a vessel to extract and contain Sora's power and memories. To do this, in 358/2 Days, she unknowingly sapped those memories and powers through Roxas, who was Sora's Nobody, and thus acted as a conduit for those things. Namine approached Xion and they both agreed that in order for Sora to be recompleted, he would need to be rejoined with Roxas, but Xion was making that impossible because of how she herself was absorbing Sora's powers and memories out of Roxas. The only way to undo that damage and make sure that Sora could be awoken whole and intact was if Xion gave all of those memories and powers back to Sora. A natural consequence of this, however, was that everyone who remembered Xion would forget that she existed, since all the memories that belonged to her would return to Sora, effectively becoming HIS memories, thereby making it as if Xion herself never existed. This is also a result of Namine's unique abilities to manipulate the memories of those connected with Sora. Once Xion's heart returned to her body, we can assume this effect was negated, and now that she was her own person again, she and everyone who knew her regained their memories of her. We can see this happening with Lea the moment Xion's hood is uncovered.
4. After being possessed by Master Xehanort in BBS, Terra's heart shared space with Xehanort's inside his body. During the final battle against Aqua, Xehanort also created the Guardian to act as both a defensive/offensive weapon but also as a container in which to transplant Terra's heart and mind, which were causing him consistent trouble in maintaining control. After losing his memories, Terra and Xehanort's hearts both shared space within the entity known as Apprentice Xehanort, but because both Xehanort's and Terra's minds were afflicted with amnesia, there was less conflict within him, as neither mind could remember who they really were or what had happened to them. After becoming Ansem Seeker of Darkness, Terra's heart went with Xehanort's and resided in the same Guardian creature that Terra-Xehanort had created, acting once again as a weapon and container for Terra's heart. After Ansem's defeat, and after Xemnas' destruction, both Master Xehanort and Terra became recompleted into their original selves. But since Master Xehanort still needed Terra as a vessel for the coming Keyblade War, he re-possessed him with his own heart which he had his younger self (Young Xehanort) bring forward from the past (in other words, MX planted the heart of his BBS self into Terra's recompleted body). Now, this new Terra-Xehanort was again able to use the same old trick of using the Guardian as a container for Terra's heart so he wouldn't interfere. Once Terra-Xehanort killed the Lingering Will, which was Terra's mind taking residence in his Keyblade armor, his mind rejoined with his heart inside the Guardian, giving Terra the semblance of identity required to successfully fight back against Xehanort's control once he was defeated by Sora, Aqua, and Ventus at the Skein of Severance.
5. Because Mickey has telepathic powers. He was also the one speaking to Sora in those dream sequences in KH1, as confirmed by the KH1 Ultimania. So, he can just do that.
6. Who knows? It was just a weak excuse to have the Data battles that all the fans were demanding. If I had to guess an in-world explanation, maybe they thought that one of the Organization members might have had some idea of where Sora's heart could have gone, and that their data recreations might hold that same information because data in the Kingdom Hearts universe is basically just science-magic.
7. Unknown. My only guess is that Sora wasn't ACTUALLY there, but was merely able to manifest there because he was residing inside Terra's heart at the time, and since the battle between the LW and Terra-Xehanort was basically a battle between Terra's mind and his heart (which was inside the Guardian), maybe Sora was able to pop out into the physical world for a brief while as a result of that friction. The truth is, though, I'm just not sure.
8. Namine was able to located Terra's mind from the Final World due to Sora's previous encounter with the Lingering Will in KH2, and since Namine's special powers relate to everyone connected with Sora, she was able to track Terra's mind and influence him from the Final World.

Regarding change in history, Sora did change it as Chirithy mentined in KH Remind. Can you elaborate more on that

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1. For the second time, Chirithy confirmed he went to the past, so does that contradict what you were explaining

2. and how did he actually saved Kairi if he can't change the outcome?

For the manifestation of Sora, a good theory on that. I also saw one of the videos in Youtube that it was because of Sora's will to save Terra.
3. Also, how did he manifest inside Scala Ad Caelum?

4. can you explain how the future Sora restored the hearts of Roxas and Xion (present one didn't do anything?). So it should be a timeline without Future Sora ?

5. Why was MX a portal and how he was trapped and why Scala Ad Caelum was inside MX?
 
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Regarding change in history, Sora did change it as Chirithy mentined in KH Remind. Can you elaborate more on that

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1. For the second time, Chirithy confirmed he went to the past, so does that contradict what you were explaining

2. and how did he actually saved Kairi if he can't change the outcome?

For the manifestation of Sora, a good theory on that. I also saw one of the videos in Youtube that it was because of Sora's will to save Terra.
3. Also, how did he manifest inside Scala Ad Caelum?

4. can you explain how the future Sora restored the hearts of Roxas and Xion (present one didn't do anything?). So it should be a timeline without Future Sora ?

5. Why was MX a portal and how he was trapped and why Scala Ad Caelum was inside MX?

So, yeah, I get how that gets confusing. And before I elaborate, I will say, my explanation for the time travel thing has not been explicitly confirmed by Nomura himself as far as I know, but it IS the only logical answer that can be interpreted from the information he's given us throughout the game, supplementary material, and the interviews.
1. The way Chirithy phrases that statement does make it seem like Sora had already time traveled before, but again, this is not exactly the case. It's not so much that Sora rewrote time, as that time re-did that singular event because of the paradox Sora caused when he resurrected his friends. So, in THAT sense, Sora DID "rewrite" those events. But it isn't like he actually created a brand new timeline. He just re-did that one isolated moment after already doing it once before, both instances occurring one after the other in the same timeline. The line "you'll return to the past again" can be interpreted as a reference to Sora redoing that moment, even though it technically wasn't time travel. For instance, Sora goes back to the original version of the Terra-Xehanort incident, THEN the "rift" happens, and then the second rendition of that sequence begins. That "rift" is the moment when the universe basically resets itself due to the paradox. Nonetheless, these things still happen one after the other in a very clear sequence, proving that they are actually on the same timeline. It's VERY murky, and not explained well at all in-game or in interviews. So, if Nomura DID intend for it to be time travel, then the information he's put out directly contradicts that. This is the only explanation I know of that reconciles all the info we have about this.
2. So, for the second go-around, which actually WAS proper time travel, Sora didn't actually change anything. That's the whole point. As Young Xehanort said back in DDD, you cannot alter what happens in the past no matter what. What Sora did at the Keyblade Graveyard was, again, a very special loophole to get around that rule. But otherwise, that dictum holds firm: no changing the past. If you go back, it simply means you were always there in the past and did what was meant to happen. Kairi was always meant to be saved by future Sora. Everything that happened in ReMIND also happened in the first run-through of the ending, we just didn't see it. Same thing with the extra stuff with the Roxas fight against Saïx and Xemnas.
3. That's another decent explanation for the Sora manifestation in the Terranort battle, although a bit more deus-ex-machina-ey than I'm comfortable with accepting. As for Scala ad Caelum, that's another slightly muddy area. So, the version of Scala ad Caelum that we visit in the final battle is implied to be a memory-world inside Xehanort's mind that we travel to using the power of waking. Just like in DDD, when Riku used the power to dive into Sora's heart, he wound up in a memory version of Destiny Islands. The POW allows people to travel into people's hearts and therefore also the worlds connected to them. This is why a) we never see any people in Scala during the final battle, and also b) why Xehanort is able to manipulate the environment to his will. So, Sora manifesting there is a result of it not being a real world, as non-corporeal beings like future Sora and time-traveling Young Xehanort are only bound to the requirement of using physical vessels in the real world. This is why all the new Organization members were able to appear in the Sleeping Worlds in DDD even though they didn't have replica bodies to hold their time-traveling hearts yet. Memory-worlds and sleeping worlds don't require that.
4. So, throughout ReMIND, Sora goes hopping back and forth between the hearts of the Guardians of light. After returning to his past self's body following the Terra-Xehanort fight, future Sora is able to use the power of waking to revive Roxas and Xion's hearts once their consciousnesses become awakened by the conflict going on between Sora and Xion on the outside. Basically, the battle between Sora and Xion was the catalyst that opened up Roxas and Xion's hearts (when Sora says "it's okay now, you can stop, Xion" he says Xion's name in Roxas' voice, signalling that Roxas' heart is awake inside Sora. With their hearts awakened, Sora only needed to unlock both of them together. Xion's heart already had her body to go into, and Roxas' vessel arrived soon after.
5. This is another tricky topic. The simple answer is what I've stated above—the Scala we see is just a memory of the real thing that we travel to by entering Xehanort's heart. This is what they mean when they say that Xehanort is a "portal". However, the point about him being somehow unique in this respect simply because he can "transcend space and time" to his time-travelling shenanigans, is a little peculiar, because that shouldn't really matter. With the POW, everyone can be made into a portal in the same exact way, so there's really nothing special I can see about how they did it in this instance. Someone with a deeper understanding of the mechanics of the POW can probably explain it better than I can. My only guess as to how this matters might have something to do with the Replica Xehanorts that, I suppose, follow Xehanort to his Scala memory-world from throughout their various points in time. After all, each of those replicas are presumably the vessels that each of the Organization members occupied, but bereft of their respective members' hearts and each only containing the remnant piece of Xehanort's heart inside them. That connection allows them to all exist simultaneously in Xehanort's memory-world, which is what he means when he says "Here, I and my other selves can be one."
Hope this helps. The end of KH3 was ridiculously hard for me to wrap my head around, too. It took me months to figure some of this stuff out. Nomura really needs to hire a better writer.
 

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I have another question. How did Future Sora "act" to fight against Xemnas? that entire sequence literally contradicts the OG Days battles of KBG.
 

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I have another question. How did Future Sora "act" to fight against Xemnas? that entire sequence literally contradicts the OG Days battles of KBG.
The truth is, there was nothing different to that sequence of events. Future Sora didn't change anything—that whole battle happened exactly the way it unfolded originally. We just didn't see that extra part of it because present Sora was unconscious for that part. If you go back and watch that segment, you can pinpoint the exact moments when Future Sora's consciousness takes over from within present Sora's heart. Future Sora then migrated into Roxas' heart which is why you can control him in that battle. After that portion, present Sora regains consciousness, and from then on what you see happens exactly the same as the original fight.
 

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We just didn't see that extra part of it because present Sora was unconscious for that part.
How? He wasn't unconscious - he quite literally acted out of turn. Compare:

KH3 ver.:
(Start at 5:46 if my link didn't work)

ReMIND ver.:
(Start at 13:43 if my link didn't work)
 

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How? He wasn't unconscious - he quite literally acted out of turn. Compare:

KH3 ver.:
(Start at 5:46 if my link didn't work)

ReMIND ver.:
(Start at 13:43 if my link didn't work)
Right at 13:48 is when future Sora possesses and takes control of his past self. 16:18 is when future Sora leaves his body and enters into Roxas. 19:58 is when future Sora jumps out of Roxas and rejoins with Sora who is now regaining consciousness. Everything that happens in between 13:48 and 19:58 happened in the og game, but Sora was unconscious for that part, so we never saw it. But canonically, everything is the same.
 

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So, yeah, I get how that gets confusing. And before I elaborate, I will say, my explanation for the time travel thing has not been explicitly confirmed by Nomura himself as far as I know, but it IS the only logical answer that can be interpreted from the information he's given us throughout the game, supplementary material, and the interviews.
1. The way Chirithy phrases that statement does make it seem like Sora had already time traveled before, but again, this is not exactly the case. It's not so much that Sora rewrote time, as that time re-did that singular event because of the paradox Sora caused when he resurrected his friends. So, in THAT sense, Sora DID "rewrite" those events. But it isn't like he actually created a brand new timeline. He just re-did that one isolated moment after already doing it once before, both instances occurring one after the other in the same timeline. The line "you'll return to the past again" can be interpreted as a reference to Sora redoing that moment, even though it technically wasn't time travel. For instance, Sora goes back to the original version of the Terra-Xehanort incident, THEN the "rift" happens, and then the second rendition of that sequence begins. That "rift" is the moment when the universe basically resets itself due to the paradox. Nonetheless, these things still happen one after the other in a very clear sequence, proving that they are actually on the same timeline. It's VERY murky, and not explained well at all in-game or in interviews. So, if Nomura DID intend for it to be time travel, then the information he's put out directly contradicts that. This is the only explanation I know of that reconciles all the info we have about this.
2. So, for the second go-around, which actually WAS proper time travel, Sora didn't actually change anything. That's the whole point. As Young Xehanort said back in DDD, you cannot alter what happens in the past no matter what. What Sora did at the Keyblade Graveyard was, again, a very special loophole to get around that rule. But otherwise, that dictum holds firm: no changing the past. If you go back, it simply means you were always there in the past and did what was meant to happen. Kairi was always meant to be saved by future Sora. Everything that happened in ReMIND also happened in the first run-through of the ending, we just didn't see it. Same thing with the extra stuff with the Roxas fight against Saïx and Xemnas.
3. That's another decent explanation for the Sora manifestation in the Terranort battle, although a bit more deus-ex-machina-ey than I'm comfortable with accepting. As for Scala ad Caelum, that's another slightly muddy area. So, the version of Scala ad Caelum that we visit in the final battle is implied to be a memory-world inside Xehanort's mind that we travel to using the power of waking. Just like in DDD, when Riku used the power to dive into Sora's heart, he wound up in a memory version of Destiny Islands. The POW allows people to travel into people's hearts and therefore also the worlds connected to them. This is why a) we never see any people in Scala during the final battle, and also b) why Xehanort is able to manipulate the environment to his will. So, Sora manifesting there is a result of it not being a real world, as non-corporeal beings like future Sora and time-traveling Young Xehanort are only bound to the requirement of using physical vessels in the real world. This is why all the new Organization members were able to appear in the Sleeping Worlds in DDD even though they didn't have replica bodies to hold their time-traveling hearts yet. Memory-worlds and sleeping worlds don't require that.
4. So, throughout ReMIND, Sora goes hopping back and forth between the hearts of the Guardians of light. After returning to his past self's body following the Terra-Xehanort fight, future Sora is able to use the power of waking to revive Roxas and Xion's hearts once their consciousnesses become awakened by the conflict going on between Sora and Xion on the outside. Basically, the battle between Sora and Xion was the catalyst that opened up Roxas and Xion's hearts (when Sora says "it's okay now, you can stop, Xion" he says Xion's name in Roxas' voice, signalling that Roxas' heart is awake inside Sora. With their hearts awakened, Sora only needed to unlock both of them together. Xion's heart already had her body to go into, and Roxas' vessel arrived soon after.
5. This is another tricky topic. The simple answer is what I've stated above—the Scala we see is just a memory of the real thing that we travel to by entering Xehanort's heart. This is what they mean when they say that Xehanort is a "portal". However, the point about him being somehow unique in this respect simply because he can "transcend space and time" to his time-travelling shenanigans, is a little peculiar, because that shouldn't really matter. With the POW, everyone can be made into a portal in the same exact way, so there's really nothing special I can see about how they did it in this instance. Someone with a deeper understanding of the mechanics of the POW can probably explain it better than I can. My only guess as to how this matters might have something to do with the Replica Xehanorts that, I suppose, follow Xehanort to his Scala memory-world from throughout their various points in time. After all, each of those replicas are presumably the vessels that each of the Organization members occupied, but bereft of their respective members' hearts and each only containing the remnant piece of Xehanort's heart inside them. That connection allows them to all exist simultaneously in Xehanort's memory-world, which is what he means when he says "Here, I and my other selves can be one."
Hope this helps. The end of KH3 was ridiculously hard for me to wrap my head around, too. It took me months to figure some of this stuff out. Nomura really needs to hire a better writer.
I understand most of your answers, but I’m having difficulty on how did future Sora played a role in restoring hearts and the point that actions cannot be changed. Also, you believe there is only one timeline ? Then how there are future and past Soras, (similary how the robbed figure which was ansem SOD possesed Riku if he was time travelling. This will create new timelines?) I’m getting confused. Sorry for my bothering question and thanks for your great help
 

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I understand most of your answers, but I’m having difficulty on how did future Sora played a role in restoring hearts and the point that actions cannot be changed. Also, you believe there is only one timeline ? Then how there are future and past Soras, (similary how the robbed figure which was ansem SOD possesed Riku if he was time travelling. This will create new timelines?) I’m getting confused. Sorry for my bothering question and thanks for your great help
No problem. I'm trying to make this as simple as possible, but I can only simplify things so much when it comes to Nomura's storytelling. Let me see if I can make this clear:
Time travel does not necessarily mean creating a different timeline. In some works of fiction, this is the case, i.e. the Back to the Future movies. In movies like that, a character can go back in time, and the things they do actually alter the course of history, thereby creating a new timeline. But other stories use a fixed, adamant philosophy of time, where the past and the future cannot be changed, and if a character DOES travel into the past, even if they're trying to change it, every action they take proves to only play into the events that have already (and always will) transpired. For instance, consider a story like Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. In that movie, Harry and his friends use a special device to go back in time a few days. Now, this is a good ways through the movie, and by this point, Harry and the others have already experienced a lot of incidents where fate seems to intervene in strange ways to help them or influence the events to come in some way. It turns out, those interventions had been Harry and his friends all along. Having time traveled back to the recent past, they, unbeknownst to them, ended up causing these things to happen to their past selves. No changes to the timeline were made, the time traveling characters merely played their role in enacting certain events within the same timeline.
Kingdom Hearts operates on the latter philosophy of time travel. If a character goes back in time, then whatever they do in the past is preordained. They are unable to actually change the timeline, because that would be a paradox. Because of this, whether they understand it or not, the only things they will be able to do after traveling to the past are things that ensure the timeline remains as it always has been. Any action can only play into the pre-established series of events.
Now, again, Sora found a loophole around this, which is, he DIDN'T travel to the past. He simply caused the universe to basically glitch by creating what Nomura calls a "singularity" (read: paradox) by resurrecting his friends' hearts using the power of waking. This "glitch" caused the event immediately prior to Sora's meddling to be reset so that it could play out again as intended.
I'll see if I can draw up a rough sketch of the timeline here so as to make it a bit clearer:

KG1 = The first encounter at the Keyblade Graveyard
FW = Sora piecing himself back together in the Final World and speaking with Namine. The Final World exists outside of space and time, so it isn't effected by the timeline.
R = Sora's battles with the Lich and resurrecting his friends' hearts
X = The rift, or glitch, caused by Sora's misuse of the POW
KG2 = The second encounter at the Keyblade Graveyard

KG1———(FW)———R——————X———(FW)———KG2

The second FW symbolizes the point at which Namine reaches out to influence the Lingering Will to come and save everyone.
As for Ansem possessing Riku, that again was preordained. When a person time travels in KH, they have to leave their body behind and ensure they have a version of themself awaiting at the destination. Xehanort's heart originally traveled back in time to his teenage self at Destiny Islands many decades in the past, and then after his work with him was finished, he remained at Destiny Islands for many decades thereafter, waiting for the moment in KH1 when he would get the opportunity to possess a willing host, i.e. Riku.
Now, more than one version of an individual cannot coexist at the same moment in time, so without the aid of replica bodies or some other such vessel, only one version of that person is allowed to exist physically at any given time. So, Sora travelling to the past had to inhabit his past self's body, and then later the bodies of his companions, in order to exist in the past at all. Xehanort was able to exist as a bodiless heart because he willingly relinquished his heart to the darkness, but even though he could exist in the past, he could not operate physically. But aside from that, there is no other rule regarding how many of oneself can coexist at the same moment in time.
 
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No problem. I'm trying to make this as simple as possible, but I can only simplify things so much when it comes to Nomura's storytelling. Let me see if I can make this clear:
Time travel does not necessarily mean creating a different timeline. In some works of fiction, this is the case, i.e. the Back to the Future movies. In movies like that, a character can go back in time, and the things they do actually alter the course of history, thereby creating a new timeline. But other stories use a fixed, adamant philosophy of time, where the past and the future cannot be changed, and if a character DOES travel into the past, even if they're trying to change it, every action they take proves to only play into the events that have already (and always will) transpired. For instance, consider a story like Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. In that movie, Harry and his friends use a special device to go back in time a few days. Now, this is a good ways through the movie, and by this point, Harry and the others have already experienced a lot of incidents where fate seems to intervene in strange ways to help them or influence the events to come in some way. It turns out, those interventions had been Harry and his friends all along. Having time traveled back to the recent past, they, unbeknownst to them, ended up causing these things to happen to their past selves. No changes to the timeline were made, the time traveling characters merely played their role in enacting certain events within the same timeline.
Kingdom Hearts operates on the latter philosophy of time travel. If a character goes back in time, then whatever they do in the past is preordained. They are unable to actually change the timeline, because that would be a paradox. Because of this, whether they understand it or not, the only things they will be able to do after traveling to the past are things that ensure the timeline remains as it always has been. Any action can only play into the pre-established series of events.
Now, again, Sora found a loophole around this, which is, he DIDN'T travel to the past. He simply caused the universe to basically glitch by creating what Nomura calls a "singularity" (read: paradox) by resurrecting his friends' hearts using the power of waking. This "glitch" caused the event immediately prior to Sora's meddling to be reset so that it could play out again as intended.
I'll see if I can draw up a rough sketch of the timeline here so as to make it a bit clearer:

KG1 = The first encounter at the Keyblade Graveyard
FW = Sora piecing himself back together in the Final World and speaking with Namine. The Final World exists outside of space and time, so it isn't effected by the timeline.
R = Sora's battles with the Lich and resurrecting his friends' hearts
X = The rift, or glitch, caused by Sora's misuse of the POW
KG2 = The second encounter at the Keyblade Graveyard

KG1———(FW)———R——————X———(FW)———KG2

The second FW symbolizes the point at which Namine reaches out to influence the Lingering Will to come and save everyone.
As for Ansem possessing Riku, that again was preordained. When a person time travels in KH, they have to leave their body behind and ensure they have a version of themself awaiting at the destination. Xehanort's heart originally traveled back in time to his teenage self at Destiny Islands many decades in the past, and then after his work with him was finished, he remained at Destiny Islands for many decades thereafter, waiting for the moment in KH1 when he would get the opportunity to possess a willing host, i.e. Riku.
Now, more than one version of an individual cannot coexist at the same moment in time, so without the aid of replica bodies or some other such vessel, only one version of that person is allowed to exist physically at any given time. So, Sora travelling to the past had to inhabit his past self's body, and then later the bodies of his companions, in order to exist in the past at all. Xehanort was able to exist as a bodiless heart because he willingly relinquished his heart to the darkness, but even though he could exist in the past, he could not operate physically. But aside from that, there is no other rule regarding how many of oneself can coexist at the same moment in time.
Thanks for your in depth explanation, I understand now that there two theories of time travel as mentioned in this website https://www.philforhumanity.com/Time_Travel_Theories.html
( KH follows the first one )
Just to make sure I understand,
1. the 2nd time Sora goes to the FW, he time travelled to the past but the first wasn’t time travel, right?

Regarding the replicas of Xehanort in Scala, they are the remaining 12 replicas that Vexen ( 20 created were created),
2. but how they are formed and what connection the replicas to the real organization 13?

For KH Melody of Memory ( spoilers if you haven’t play it )

Three questions

Spoiler Spoiler Show
 
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Thanks for your in depth explanation, I understand now that there two theories of time travel as mentioned in this website https://www.philforhumanity.com/Time_Travel_Theories.html
( KH follows the first one )
Just to make sure I understand,
1. the 2nd time Sora goes to the FW, he time travelled to the past but the first wasn’t time travel, right?

Regarding the replicas of Xehanort in Scala, they are the remaining 12 replicas that Vexen ( 20 created were created),
2. but how they are formed and what connection the replicas to the real organization 13?

For KH Melody of Memory ( spoilers if you haven’t play it )

Three questions

Spoiler Spoiler Show
Yes, the second Final World visit was for time travel, but the first was not. Sora went directly from the FW to the Realm of Light the first time.
No one knows how Vexen makes the replicas, and to be honest, I'm not totally sure how they got to Xehanort's memory version of Scala. We know that not all of the Organization were replicas (the Nobody characters for instance didn't need replica bodies, so they shouldn't be among that number). Yeah, I don't know what those replicas were doing there or how they had all the Organization members' hearts in them. Xion, Young Xehanort, Dark Riku, Vanitas, Xemnas, and Ansem were all using replica bodies, so we can assume the replicas we see that correspond to them simply got brought over from the Keyblade Graveyard, but I'm not sure how he got replicas of Saïx, Xigbar, Luxord, Marluxia, and Larxene (who were Nobodies) and Terra-Xehanort and Master Xehanort (who were recompleted people). That's a mystery to me.
As for the MoM questions:
1. We don't know yet, but here's my assumption. They seem to be making Fairy Godmother out to be the dream specialist going forward. There are several magicians in the KH universe with particular areas of expertise: Yen Sid is the lore expert, Merlin is the magic expert, and I guess now Fairy Godmother is the dream expert (a play on her original purpose in the movie Cinderella, where she made "dreams come true," but in this context, they're clearly talking about dreams as in literal dreams, i.e. the Sleeping Realm). Now, Chirithy stated that the realms of sleep and death do overlap a bit, so the Final World would fall a little under FG's jurisdiction. We can also assume that she has intuitive abilities that allow her to sense the dreams of other people. That could be how she knew about the Nameless Star.
2. It seemed to be that Sora's heart was somehow reaching out to Kairi from beyond. It's not entirely clear how this was possible, but we have to remember that Kairi and Sora share a very special connection. Kairi did spend a long time living in Sora's heart, for instance. I imagine that connection is so strong that it made it possible for Sora to briefly reach out to her.
3. Kairi spent a whole year searching through her memories in her sleep. After being resurrected at the end of ReMIND, Kairi and Sora both went to the Final World very briefly, so her journey of memories brought her up to that point, because that was the most recent place she had visited before going into her year-long sleep, and therefore the last place she could look to find a clue to Sora's whereabouts.
 

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Yes, the second Final World visit was for time travel, but the first was not. Sora went directly from the FW to the Realm of Light the first time.
No one knows how Vexen makes the replicas, and to be honest, I'm not totally sure how they got to Xehanort's memory version of Scala. We know that not all of the Organization were replicas (the Nobody characters for instance didn't need replica bodies, so they shouldn't be among that number). Yeah, I don't know what those replicas were doing there or how they had all the Organization members' hearts in them. Xion, Young Xehanort, Dark Riku, Vanitas, Xemnas, and Ansem were all using replica bodies, so we can assume the replicas we see that correspond to them simply got brought over from the Keyblade Graveyard, but I'm not sure how he got replicas of Saïx, Xigbar, Luxord, Marluxia, and Larxene (who were Nobodies) and Terra-Xehanort and Master Xehanort (who were recompleted people). That's a mystery to me.
As for the MoM questions:
1. We don't know yet, but here's my assumption. They seem to be making Fairy Godmother out to be the dream specialist going forward. There are several magicians in the KH universe with particular areas of expertise: Yen Sid is the lore expert, Merlin is the magic expert, and I guess now Fairy Godmother is the dream expert (a play on her original purpose in the movie Cinderella, where she made "dreams come true," but in this context, they're clearly talking about dreams as in literal dreams, i.e. the Sleeping Realm). Now, Chirithy stated that the realms of sleep and death do overlap a bit, so the Final World would fall a little under FG's jurisdiction. We can also assume that she has intuitive abilities that allow her to sense the dreams of other people. That could be how she knew about the Nameless Star.
2. It seemed to be that Sora's heart was somehow reaching out to Kairi from beyond. It's not entirely clear how this was possible, but we have to remember that Kairi and Sora share a very special connection. Kairi did spend a long time living in Sora's heart, for instance. I imagine that connection is so strong that it made it possible for Sora to briefly reach out to her.
3. Kairi spent a whole year searching through her memories in her sleep. After being resurrected at the end of ReMIND, Kairi and Sora both went to the Final World very briefly, so her journey of memories brought her up to that point, because that was the most recent place she had visited before going into her year-long sleep, and therefore the last place she could look to find a clue to Sora's whereabouts.
I read a little bit about the replicas of Xehanort which are in Scala. It is mentioned that they are the replacement of the real Organization 13.
Maybe after the defeat of the real Organization 13, the hearts returned to MX because he is a portal and he uses them as replicas in the Scala?

As I read her in the history part
I think it confirms it here, right?

Thanks for all your efforts of helping me, I’m really having fun discussing all that with you.
 
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I read a little bit about the replicas of Xehanort which are in Scala. It is mentioned that they are the replacement of the real Organization 13.
Maybe after the defeat of the real Organization 13, the hearts returned to MX because he is a portal and he uses them as replicas in the Scala?

As I read her in the history part
I think it confirms it here, right?

Thanks for all your efforts of helping me, I’m really having fun discussing all that with you.
Hm. Interesting. Though, it doesn't quite add up.
As I mentioned previously, several of the Organization members were not replicas, and thus should not have left behind replica vessels. I know Vexen made extra replicas, but the question of how those extras got to Scala and how Xehanort's hearts entered into them remains. The only way I can make sense of this is to assume that the hearts that originally inhabited the non-replica members manifested replica forms from thin air in Xehanort's memory of Scala, and that those extra vessels are not actually the ones that Vexen created. That is, the Replica Xehanorts might only be metaphorical replicas rather than legitimate physical replicas. But that's only my headcanon. The information we have on this isn't enough to make sense of it.
 

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Hm. Interesting. Though, it doesn't quite add up.
As I mentioned previously, several of the Organization members were not replicas, and thus should not have left behind replica vessels. I know Vexen made extra replicas, but the question of how those extras got to Scala and how Xehanort's hearts entered into them remains. The only way I can make sense of this is to assume that the hearts that originally inhabited the non-replica members manifested replica forms from thin air in Xehanort's memory of Scala, and that those extra vessels are not actually the ones that Vexen created. That is, the Replica Xehanorts might only be metaphorical replicas rather than legitimate physical replicas. But that's only my headcanon. The information we have on this isn't enough to make sense of it.
There is another theory about how Xehanort was trapped. He can bring anyone of his vessels ( even the ones without replicas) to the future even after they are dead, but in Scala, all of his hearts can be present there and that’s why he was trapped. And that is why each of the replicas uses the same power of the real Organization 13
Also if you say that the replicas are not physical, then how they were able to go to realm of light to battle the Guardians of light?
It is very hard to get to a conclusion, but this is what I believe. Thanks again
 
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There is another theory about how Xehanort was trapped. He can bring anyone of his vessels ( even the ones without replicas) to the future even after they are dead, but in Scala, all of his hearts can be present there and that’s why he was trapped. And that is why each of the replicas uses the same power of the real Organization 13
Also if you say that the replicas are not physical, then how they were able to go to realm of light to battle the Guardians of light?
It is very hard to get to a conclusion, but this is what I believe. Thanks again
That's a good point. My guess is that the Replicas in Scala may have started out as just manifestations, but then once Xehanort regained the X-Blade at the verge of the final battle, he was able to use the power of Kingdom Hearts to create actual physical Replicas that could leave his memory-world and emerge into the Realm of Light to fight the Guardians. But that's just a theory.
 

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There is another theory about how Xehanort was trapped. He can bring anyone of his vessels ( even the ones without replicas) to the future even after they are dead, but in Scala, all of his hearts can be present there and that’s why he was trapped. And that is why each of the replicas uses the same power of the real Organization 13
We can’t have that answered until Nomura confirms it. Thanks again
That's a good point. My guess is that the Replicas in Scala may have started out as just manifestations, but then once Xehanort regained the X-Blade at the verge of the final battle, he was able to use the power of Kingdom Hearts to create actual physical Replicas that could leave his memory-world and emerge into the Realm of Light to fight the Guardians. But that's just a theory.
as I researched more on the the replicas of Xehonart, Vexen created the replicas by using the data of the real Organization ( same as creating Dark Riku replica) and maybe he gave them a portion of his heart. But how they end up in Scala is something to be solved. I think your assumption that Kingdom Hearts has a some kind of power is very logical. And maybe We can answer how they trap Xehonart.

Last question: how did the guardians follow Sora’s heart in the end of KH3?

thanks for all your help and sorry if I am a headache
 

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as I researched more on the the replicas of Xehonart, Vexen created the replicas by using the data of the real Organization ( same as creating Dark Riku replica) and maybe he gave them a portion of his heart. But how they end up in Scala is something to be solved. I think your assumption that Kingdom Hearts has a some kind of power is very logical. And maybe We can answer how they trap Xehonart.

Last question: how did the guardians follow Sora’s heart in the end of KH3?

thanks for all your help and sorry if I am a headache
No, don't worry about it. I'm super glad to help people wrap their heads around this series.
As for your question, I'm assuming you're talking about when the Guardians follow Sora Donald and Goofy into Xehanort's memory-Scala at the end of the base game. After using the power of waking to trap Xehanort inside his memory-world, the portal that they had created still remained. This is why you can leave Scala and return to the Keyblade Graveyard in-game. It's that pink spherical thing with the floating spikes jutting out of it. The Guardians basically just followed them through that portal. I'm guessing that the portal would have disappeared once Xehanort was dead.
 
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