It's all about the eyes

[Twilight]

Ever noticed how the eyes of a person and their nobody are the same color?

EYE DID!

Sora and Roxas
Kairi and Namine
Xehanort and Xemnas
Riku and Axel?

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/8992/eyesiz7.jpg

and btw i know its been very well debated that axel isnt riku's nobody, but im workin on a timeline...maybe i can take a crack at disproving/proving it...

 

[Ulti]

Have you ever noticed that all nobodies resemble their original forms?

Axel is not Riku's nobody. No proof you have could be good enough. Plus, Riku's eye color is light green. Axel's is darker.

 

[Twilight]

Rough Timeline

Keylade master brings prosperity/chaos/saves the world.

<unknown amount of years pass>

Light surrounded everything.
People got greedy over the light
Darkness spread, took over.
Light in the hearts of children survived.
Children rebuilt the world, the world we live in now.
True light sleeps deep in the darkness, behind a door.

<about 50 years pass>

Xehanort appears in Radiant Garden, dying, with amnesia.
Ansem nurses the human Xehanort back to health.
Xehanort becomes Ansem’s best apprentice.
Disobeys Ansem, takes Ansem’s name, writes reports 0-8.
Dilan, Braig, Even, Elaeus, and Ienzo also are apprentices, but are now only loyal to Xehanort.
They create an artificial heartless machine.
Mickey visits Ansem.
Ansem orders the destruction of research.
Xehanort banishes Ansem to the realm of nothingness.
Xehanort sends Kairi off to find the keyblade master.
Xehanort and his apprentices cast off their bodies.
Xemnas, Xigbar, Xaldin, Vexen, Lexaus, and Zexion are created.

Xehanort visits Destiny Island, meets Sora.
Riku is chosen as the keyblade master.
Riku chooses darkness.
Sora is then chosen.
Kairi loses her heart.
Namine is created.
Sora helps everyone etc.
Mickey goes to the realm of darkness to get his keyblade.
Saix, Axel, Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia, and Larxene are created by now.
Sora loses his heart.
Roxas is created.
Riku is possessed by Xehanort’s heartless.
Sora wounds Xehanort’s heartless.
The light from inside the darkness destroys Xehanort.
Roxas enlists in the Organization.

Ansem embraces the darkness to escape.
Ansem changes form.

The Organization captures Namine.
Sora enters Castle Oblivion.
Riku enters Castle Oblivion.
Sora defeats some of the Organization members.
Riku fights, too, but at a different pace than Sora and in a different part of the castle.
Namine erases Sora’s memory of the Castle.
Riku leaves, chooses path to Twilight, like DiZ.

Riku castes his body into darkness.
Riku becomes DiZ’s disciple.
Riku and Roxas fight.
Roxas is captured, to DiZ’s and Xehanort’s delight.
Roxas’ memory is wiped.
Roxas is put into a computer.
Sora’s memory is in the process of being restored.
Sora and Roxas are recombined.
Sora helps everyone etc.
Kairi gets a keyblade.
Riku reveals himself.
Ansem dies.
Sora and Riku defeat Xemnas.

It appears that Xehanort’s entity is completely defeat, except for a small part in Riku.

The king sends a message to the heroes.

................................................................................

Seems to me there might have been a little time for Axel to be created if a nobody was created when Riku accepted the darkness.

And yeh, I know that Nobody's look like their originals. I was just saying the eyes seem to be pretty darn similar consistently. And I dunno about light and dark green, I searched google and couldnt find a picture I liked, but from what I found in that link I gave I think they are really close.

 

[Twilight]

I know it's not worth it, I just thought it was a cool thing. I dont want to argue that Axel is Riku's nobody, wtvr. Check out the timeline and see if there's something I missed/something more specific.

 

[Iwrestledabearonce]

Well, that is a good timeline. But, I doubt that Axel is Riku's nobody. The Nobodies resemble their true selves, and Axel does not appear to resemble Riku. Also, I believe Axel's old body was "Ela", "Lae", "Lea", "Ael" or "Ale" (last one and third one are probably not true).

 

[SH_Brat]

I had actually been working on a theory that Axel could be Riku's Nobody, but Tetsuya Nomura said that Riku obtained his body back after 'Ansem' was defeated. Now if you want to sepeculate the theory that Xehanort has another Nobody that was made in the same fashion as Namine, then I won't stop you, but Riku himself does not have a Nobody. I don't know who Axel belongs to. Perhaps Axel is this Nobody who is like Namine. I don't know. he might belong to this Reno everyone is talking about. I can't say I know, but I do know that Axel is not Riku's Nobody.

 

[TSora]

Hmmm...I don't recall Xehanort having yellow eyes...Only his Heartless and Nobody had......

Here's a little pic:

 

[~DanseMacabre~]

Xehanort looks pretty hot in that picture.

But I digress. =D

The theory isn't totally disproven since Kairi and Namine aren't anagrams of one another with Xs in. But then again, Naminé is not part of organisation xiii. Thought I do often wonder where Saix, Axel, Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia, and Larxene actually came from. I might have missed or overlooked that part if it was ever explained.

 

[TSora]

What do you mean?...^...Namine was Kairis Nobody...It was written in the Secret Ansem Reports, and it was only the organization who used anagrams of their names......

 

[chaywa]

Riku has never had a nobody because he has never lost his heart...he just accepted darkness into it instead. Axel is Ael's nobody...read the Secret Ansem's Reports and it'll explain more...

 

[Cool man]

Riku has never had a nobody because he has never lost his heart...he just accepted darkness into it instead. Axel is Ael's nobody...read the Secret Ansem's Reports and it'll explain more...

The Secret Ansem Reports never said anything of any Ael. Where did you get that from?

 

[.:Mega:.]

Well, Riku DID lose his heart in a sense, but since his body was being occupied by 'Ansem', it would have been impossible for a nobody to form. In Final Mix, I do believe in one of the scenes it kinda explains that a little.

~Mega

 

[~DanseMacabre~]

What do you mean?...^...Namine was Kairis Nobody...It was written in teh Secret Ansem Reports, and it was only the organization who used anagrams of their names......

If you'd read my post correctly you wouldn't have needed to write this. =D

 

[Bumja]

"Ela", "Lae", "Lea", "Ael" or "Ale"

sooooooooo........ ur saying that axels real person........ is a girl, right???? :lol:

Xehanort looks pretty hot in that picture.

Spoiler Show

*Cough*GAY*Cough Cough*

if ur a girl, im seriously sry, lol

also... i think i know how axel's riku's nobody. ok, so. my theory is that maybe axel isnt just riku's nobody. maybe its riku's AND sombody elses nobody. the reason i think this is because namine isnt just kairi's nobody, its kairi's AND sora's (more kairi than sora though). so maybe thats right, or maybe crack pot theory that some guy thought up in 2 minutes, I DONT KNOW!! i guess we'll just have to wait........

 

[Raz]

Riku and Axel = NO.

Riku has aqua eyes, Axel's are green.

 

[~DanseMacabre~]

Spoiler Show

*Cough*GAY*Cough Cough*

if ur a girl, im seriously sry, lol

I am most definately female. But if I was a gay male I don't see why there'd be a huge problem.

 

[Bumja]

sry about that DM. in my community, being gay is the worst kind of person u can be. and also in my community, seeing something stupid, or saying something weird, would also be considered gay. there r 2 types of gay. 1. loving opposite sex 2. something stupid or wierd. im really really sry.

 

[Zaraki]

there eye colors are the same big freakin whoop.

 

[Twilight]

Hey ya'll wow I didn't think this topic would get this far...


first of all, the eyes:

are Xehanort, human, eyes the same color as the nobody?
The only time we see Xehanort as a human is in the lab, in the flashback, and in the lab...I searched google and couldnt find any, but I assumed the heartless version would be the same. Maybe I was wrong.

And the pictures clearly show that Riku and Axel's eyes are both green, maybe lighter or darker, but I don't know. Maybe if someone found a better picture.

Next, Riku and Axel:

The timeline perhaps shows that, depending on how long you played the game for, if all Organization members were created during KH1, then it would be possible for Axel to be Riku's nobody.

Riku accepted darkness into his heart. Riku ALSO excepted Xehanort's heart. Riku's heart was subdued by darkness, and Xehanort's heart took over it's body. Xehanort's nobody had already been created. Is it possible that, although Riku's heart may have never actually left the body, that if it were pushed back into nothingness when Xehanort's heartless took over, that Axel was created?

I think so.

 

[SH_Brat]

Hey ya'll wow I didn't think this topic would get this far...


first of all, the eyes:

are Xehanort, human, eyes the same color as the nobody?
The only time we see Xehanort as a human is in the lab, in the flashback, and in the lab...I searched google and couldnt find any, but I assumed the heartless version would be the same. Maybe I was wrong.

And the pictures clearly show that Riku and Axel's eyes are both green, maybe lighter or darker, but I don't know. Maybe if someone found a better picture.

Next, Riku and Axel:

The timeline perhaps shows that, depending on how long you played the game for, if all Organization members were created during KH1, then it would be possible for Axel to be Riku's nobody.

Riku accepted darkness into his heart. Riku ALSO excepted Xehanort's heart. Riku's heart was subdued by darkness, and Xehanort's heart took over it's body. Xehanort's nobody had already been created. Is it possible that, although Riku's heart may have never actually left the body, that if it were pushed back into nothingness when Xehanort's heartless took over, that Axel was created?

I think so.

Riku's heart did leave his body. I'm not gonna suply the link again. Search for the Final Mix cut scene on YouTube. It's like I said, Riku can have no Nobody, beacuse Tetsuya Nomura already comfirmed that Riku regained his body at the end of Kingdom Hearts. Axel could belong to Xehanort, though. Just made in the same way Namine was made. That would explain why he looks a little bit like Riku, because the material used to create him was some of Riku's body and soul and Xehanorts heart. I'm not gonna explain that either. Read the Secret Ansem Reports if you really want to know. Now, remember, Axel was Number 8. That is actually why he could be neither Xehanort's nor Riku's Nobody. That's a fact thanks to Roxas being Number 13.
As for the eyes. Twilight would win this arguement. Though shaped differently, Riku's eyes were the same color as Axel's are now and Axel would be framed after the 15 year old version of Riku, if Axel were his Nobody.
No, Xehanorts eye color, at the time, was not the same as Xemnas. Remember, though, Ansem's eyes did change from red to yellow when he took the identity of DiZ. Now the question is, did Xehanorts eyes do the same thing when he was trying to conquer th darkness. If so, you should have your answer.