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Spoilers ► Is the story of Kingdom Hearts really that confusing?



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I guess you are right about that. Now that it has been released, how does it tie to the rest of the series?
 
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KH2 had the first retcon with the Ansem/Xehanort switcheroo.

It has a dense plot but it's confusion comes from pacing issues. It just dumps the answers in the beginning and end. So spreading it out better would've been ideal. It's also why people started to dislike the Disney worlds. The first world visits felt too disconnected from the larger plot. And it got worse in the following games.

I don't disagree with @Face My Fears but KH doesn't pull it off. Both Days and DDD hurt the previous games.

KH's problem seems to be it wants to tie everything together after the fact but chooses the poorest way to do it.

It ends up feeling like a weaker version of the FF7 spinoffs. The Xehanort saga ends up feeling more reductive than expansive.
 
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KH2 had the first retcon with the Ansem/Xehanort switcheroo.

It has a dense plot but it's confusion comes from pacing issues. It just dumps the answers in the beginning and end. So spreading it out better would've been ideal. It's also why people started to dislike the Disney worlds. The first world visits felt too disconnected from the larger plot. And it got worse in the following games.

I don't disagree with @Face My Fears but KH doesn't pull it off. Both Days and DDD hurt the previous games.

KH's problem seems to be it wants to tie everything together after the fact but chooses the poorest way to do it.

It ends up feeling like a weaker version of the FF7 spinoffs. The Xehanort saga ends up feeling more reductive than expansive.

That actually makes sense and it may not be just a Kingdom Hearts thing either. Sometimes I wonder if it might be better if some of those games were non canon spinoffs with no relation to the main games.
 

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Yes, she inadvertently time traveled when her heart was released by the keyblade of hearts. However, she was caught in a digital version of Enchanted Dominion which was set up ahead of time to trap her, and Darkness sent her back to KH2's time.
 

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Yes, she inadvertently time traveled when her heart was released by the keyblade of hearts. However, she was caught in a digital version of Enchanted Dominion which was set up ahead of time to trap her, and Darkness sent her back to KH2's time.
My question is does she remember what she experienced? It's implied that she's at least somehwat familiar with the past's events (Book of Prophecies, etc.). It also wouldn't cause any paradoxes for her to remember since the past is in the past, unlike if she were able to remember the future if she did time travel.
 
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That actually makes sense and it may not be just a Kingdom Hearts thing either. Sometimes I wonder if it might be better if some of those games were non canon spinoffs with no relation to the main games.
DMC5 has the same problems as KH2. It was an odd sense of deja vu.

It depends on what they are. Crossovers being non-canon makes sense. But people usually want stories to connect and matter. So it's not really a bad thing that KH tried to connect everything. Its just most of the connections failed to enhance what came before.

It's an execution issue more than the idea itself being flawed.
 
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My question is does she remember what she experienced? It's implied that she's at least somehwat familiar with the past's events (Book of Prophecies, etc.). It also wouldn't cause any paradoxes for her to remember since the past is in the past, unlike if she were able to remember the future if she did time travel.
I think she remembers.

There might be some reasons for her not to remember, but...
 

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How did Merlin make that door to begin with? Merlin is powerful but he may not be able to violate the rules of time travel.
 
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How did Merlin make that door to begin with? Merlin is powerful but he may not be able to violate the rules of time travel.
I figured there is more than one way to time travel.

In hindsight I would've preferred DDD as a time travel game than cramming it in as a last minute plot twist.

KH suffers from poor storytelling and the confusing elements hurt the series more than helping it. They feel like superficial elements that age poorly.

I'm not sure you could fix it outside of a remake like FF7R or an adaptation.
 
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In hindsight I would've preferred DDD as a time travel game than cramming it in as a last minute plot twist.
It is, Sora and Riku time travel to Destiny Islands to enter the sleeping worlds, which themselves are replaying their own memories from the past.
 
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