How Could Vanitas Truly Be...

[Xeon{Myroku}]

It still bugs the crap out of me on why Vanitas looks like Sora. It's sort of role reversal, I mean Vanitas is the darkside of Ven while Roxas is the darkside of Sora. Well some what dark. But it makes you wonder if Vanitas is truely gone. I mean he's the darkness from Ven, and after Ven joined with Sora's heart you have to wonder if when Sora became a Heartless and let loose Ven as his Nobody, Roxas. You wonder if there was another piece to Sora's heart that fled from him. Like someone who appears like Sora but who's dark and similar to Vanitas. I mean there's something to think over in the following KH games.

 

[Silverslide]

Noooo, Ven is asleep because he destroyed the darkness in his heart, which upsets the balance of darkness and light that every heart has.

 

[chasespicer056]

It still bugs the crap out of me on why Vanitas looks like Sora. It's sort of role reversal, I mean Vanitas is the darkside of Ven while Roxas is the darkside of Sora. Well some what dark. But it makes you wonder if Vanitas is truely gone. I mean he's the darkness from Ven, and after Ven joined with Sora's heart you have to wonder if when Sora became a Heartless and let loose Ven as his Nobody, Roxas. You wonder if there was another piece to Sora's heart that fled from him. Like someone who appears like Sora but who's dark and similar to Vanitas. I mean there's something to think over in the following KH games.

It is very strange even with the explanation given in the interview. It's possible that Vanitas was released.

And I think that Sora turning into a Heartless may have given Vanitas more strength, possibly enough strength to return in the future.

Noooo, Ven is asleep because he destroyed the darkness in his heart, which upsets the balance of darkness and light that every heart has.

Now which character in the game said this or even hinted towards it? Or are you just making your own theory right now?

Again, I'm going by what Yen Sid said. He's the only one to comment on this whole mess so far.

 

[Xeon{Myroku}]

I don't know. I think Ven is just a puppet that Master Xeharnort used just to obtain the X-Blade after he gains control over Terra's heart. I mean, Ven lost his heart which would mean he would have to turn into a Heartless or a Nobody because once a strong hearted person lose's their heart, they'll become beings of darkness. And Ven did obtain his darkness back in his heart so he would've been either one of those beings of darkness. But no, he's still the same. I just think he's a Replica or a dummy created by Master Xeharnort. Yeah, he probably came across Sora, took a chunk of his heart, put into a dummy, and made it move and act on it's own and have it make the Ultimate Keyblade for him to control and then comman Kingdom Hearts to recreate a new world for him to rule.

 

[Silverslide]

Everyone knows that the heart is made from light and darkness, and only special beings like PoH or beings like vanitas can survive without one.

 

[Nayru's Love]

It still bugs the crap out of me on why Vanitas looks like Sora. It's sort of role reversal, I mean Vanitas is the darkside of Ven while Roxas is the darkside of Sora. Well some what dark.

The dark side of Ven and Sora; connecting hearts could mean that Ven and Sora share not only the same light, but the same darkness. So I think, anyways.

But it makes you wonder if Vanitas is truely gone. I mean he's the darkness from Ven, and after Ven joined with Sora's heart you have to wonder if when Sora became a Heartless and let loose Ven as his Nobody, Roxas. You wonder if there was another piece to Sora's heart that fled from him. Like someone who appears like Sora but who's dark and similar to Vanitas. I mean there's something to think over in the following KH games.

I don't think the heart unlocker could multi-task like that. :v

Noooo, Ven is asleep because he destroyed the darkness in his heart, which upsets the balance of darkness and light that every heart has.

Ven destroyed a part of his own heart; Van said that the X-blade was made of his heart too, and destroying it would mean Ven would go comatose. That, and Van wouldn't have tried to kill Ven if it was going to kill him too.

I mean, Ven lost his heart which would mean he would have to turn into a Heartless or a Nobody because once a strong hearted person lose's their heart, they'll become beings of darkness. And Ven did obtain his darkness back in his heart so he would've been either one of those beings of darkness. But no, he's still the same.

You become a heartless when your darkness overtakes your heart.

I just think he's a Replica or a dummy created by Master Xeharnort.

MX found Ven.

 

[HeartSeams]

This is an assumption people are making that was never stated in the game. Yen Sid said that Ven was asleep because his heart had left him, and if it came back, he would wake up. Now, if Vanitas was actually destroyed and caused Ven's heart to be incomplete, his heart wouldn't wake up his body even IF it returned because it's still incomplete. Thus I think that the X-Blade being destroyed didn't destroy their hearts like Vanitas said it would (after all, Ven's heart was intact after it was destroyed), but rather, weakened their combined heart and forced Ven to become part of Sora.

But hey, just my perspective again.

I think you're going off of translations again, because what he says is that it is "almost" like it has left him. At that point in the game, Ven's heart was still inside him. Yen Sid was commenting on its fractured state, not saying his heart had actually left.
This is further proven by the fact that the cutscene where Vanitas is defeated is called "The Return of the Fractured Heart". This shows that Ven's heart was fractured; broken. It wasn't simply weakened, a whole part of him was destroyed.

 

[chasespicer056]

Everyone knows that the heart is made from light and darkness, and only special beings like PoH or beings like vanitas can survive without one.

And yet Ven survived without Vanitas before, so how could Vanitas being gone again force him to join with Sora? It's not the true reason. The real reason is the destruction of the X-Blade and how it severely damaged their heart.

I think you're going off of translations again, because what he says is that it is "almost" like it has left him. At that point in the game, Ven's heart was still inside him. Yen Sid was commenting on its fractured state, not saying his heart had actually left.
This is further proven by the fact that the cutscene where Vanitas is defeated is called "The Return of the Fractured Heart". This shows that Ven's heart was fractured; broken. It wasn't simply weakened, a whole part of him was destroyed.

Behold:

[video=youtube;jKI2E-5ENCA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKI2E-5ENCA[/video]

at 8:10, Yen Sid says that it's "as if Ven's heart has left him." Not fractured or damaged. Left.

Yes, Ven's heart has always been fractured since Vanitas was born. That's why he needed to bond with Sora in the first place. But it was the X-Blade's destruction that ruined his heart again IMO, because he's survived without Vanitas before and the X-Blade being destroyed heavily damaged his heart, so much that simply connecting to another heart wasn't enough. He had to actually join with another heart.

 

[Silverslide]

And yet Ven survived without Vanitas before, so how could Vanitas being gone again force him to join with Sora? It's not the true reason. The real reason is the destruction of the X-Blade and how it severely damaged their heart.

He didn't survive without Vanitas, because vanitas was still alive. It happened in the awakening. The heart is always connected, but when a piece is destroyed itself, that is why he is in a coma. Besides, he had Sora to take care of that.

It's the same shit, Vanitas heart was made of the X-Blade and Vens part of the heart destroyed it.

 

[HeartSeams]

And yet Ven survived without Vanitas before, so how could Vanitas being gone again force him to join with Sora?

Um... the whole point of the opening of the game was to show that Ven COULDNT survive without Vanitas which is WHY he had to connect his heart with Sora's.
The only difference in the ending of the game is that instead of connecting his heart to Sora, he asks if he can stay with him instead.

at 8:10, Yen Sid says that it's "as if Ven's heart has left him." Not fractured or damaged. Left.

Yen Sid: The boy's heart is sleeping.
^shows that it is still there.

Yen Sid: I could not say. It is almost as though his heart has left.
^keyword being "almost".

At that point of the story, Ven's heart is still inside him, it's just FRACTURED (as the cutscene title says clearly).

He had to actually join with another heart.

You're missing the difference in the actions. Ven didn't JOIN with Sora's heart to save himself, he joined with Sora simply because he wanted to. Their hearts didn't merge, Ven just chose to take refuge in Sora. If he has simply reconnected his heart with Sora's again, he theoretically could have woken up, but he didn't.

 

[Vanitas666]

It's a good theory that I like as long they don't ruin him like they did with Malificent

"I'll be back"

 

[whodeany]

I think, if vanitas was truly destroyed, when ventus's staton changed after their battle it would have been incomplete i.e. would have had a big chunk out of it. Which it didn't. Which to me means that vantias was defeated, but not destroyed. With any luck, nomura will bring him back in a good way, and he will play a part in the story, rather than just 'im an evil sora'.

 

[Ralz]

Vanitas is cool. Bring him back.

 

[KeybladeCounsel]

Are we forgetting that the X-Blade wasn't fully established? That's the reason Ven's heart wasn't destroyed as Vanitas had earlier speculated.

Vanitas:"Our union wasn't finished."

It says that a heart of pure light and a heart of pure darkness must combine to make the X-Blade. But seeing as how their's didn't completely combine, the effects of the X-Blade weren't justified. Meaning it would only be able to do what an incomplete X-Blade could do. Of course, I could be wrong though.

 

[Memory Master]

Vanitas was either destroyed or he connected to someone else's heart and went there like Ven did with Sora. But it's impossible for Vanitas to have returned to Ven's heart because then Ven would have no longer had a heart of pure light and thus his body would have dissapeared when he went to Sora. Since Ven's body did not dissapear, then it means Ven had a heart of pure light and thus Vanitas did not return to Ven's heart.

So the only other possibilities are that Vanitas really was destroyed or he connected to another's heart and went there when Ven beat him. I personally believe after reading the excellent theory by Grass that Vanitas could have possibly connected to Riku's heart and when Ven beat him Vanitas went to Riku's heart where he is currently sleeping.

So yes it's possible Vanitas could return, Just not from Ven.

 

[Nayru's Love]

Since Ven's body did not dissapear, then it means Ven had a heart of pure light and thus Vanitas did not return to Ven's heart.

Well, one could argue that Ven's heart didn't physically leave his body, since we know from Last Episode that it was always inside of his body up until he met Sora. All in all, his heart leaving his body was a special case altogether.

 

[Memory Master]

Well, one could argue that Ven's heart didn't physically leave his body, since we know from Last Episode that it was always inside of his body up until he met Sora. All in all, his heart leaving his body was a special case altogether.

True but the heart still left his body at one point, the ending after the credits prove that. And if Ven's heart was not pure light, then when it left his body would have faded away just as MX's did. So it still makes it impossible for Vanitas to have returned to Ven's heart, the only way Vanitas could have survived is by going to someone else's heart, either that or he really is gone.

 

[Nayru's Love]

True but the heart still left his body at one point, the ending after the credits prove that.

It left right after he killed Van. Or so it appears in their Awakening, anyways. I mean, between Yen Sid's dialogue and Ven summoning his keyblade and Door to Light, I like to think his heart is still there. As absurd as it sounds, his heart may have magically transported to the inside of Sora's heart while in the CoW.

And if Ven's heart was not pure light, then when it left his body would have faded away just as MX's did.

You have to prove that Ven's heart leaving was a normal case before you can use that argument, though.

 

[Memory Master]

It left right after he killed Van. Or so it appears in their Awakening, anyways. I mean, between Yen Sid's dialogue and Ven summoning his keyblade and Door to Light, I like to think his heart is still there. As absurd as it sounds, his heart may have magically transported to the inside of Sora's heart while in the CoW.

Okay i'm confused, first you say Ven's heart left right after he killed Vanitas and then you say it stayed with him until he was put in the room of awakening. Which one do you believe?

And either way, does it matter? Point is Ven's heart went to Sora at some point.

You have to prove that Ven's heart leaving was a normal case before you can use that argument, though.

Do you consider a heart of pure light leaving it's body a normal case? MX was a normal case as he had a normal heart. Ven's heart is not a normal case as he has a heart of pure light. Look at Kairi, her heart left her body and went to Sora and what happened to Kairi's body? It remained in a comatose like state. Ven had a heart of pure light and he went to Sora, and what happened to his body? It remained in a comatose like state.

Therefore those who have hearts of pure light who lose their hearts, their bodies do not fade but remain in a comatose like state. That has been true ever since Kairi in KH1.

 

[Nayru's Love]

Okay i'm confused, first you say Ven's heart left right after he killed Vanitas and then you say it stayed with him until he was put in the room of awakening. Which one do you believe?

A little of both. From what I'm interpreting, Ven's heart left his body...without actually leaving it. Not once did we see his heart leave his body in the physical world; I think the scene where his heart flew away is when it left his body.

And either way, does it matter? Point is Ven's heart went to Sora at some point.

Well, yes it does. It seems as if there are different ways of hearts entering others.

Do you consider a heart of pure light leaving it's body a normal case? MX was a normal case as he had a normal heart. Ven's heart is not a normal case as he has a heart of pure light. Look at Kairi, her heart left her body and went to Sora and what happened to Kairi's body? It remained in a comatose like state. Ven had a heart of pure light and he went to Sora, and what happened to his body? It remained in a comatose like state.

Therefore those who have hearts of pure light who lose their hearts, their bodies do not fade but remain in a comatose like state. That has been true ever since Kairi in KH1.

What I meant was that we never saw Ven's heart physically enter Sora (or his body that represents/covers his heart, in defense of Kairi and Eraqus), so this probably isn't a normal case.