Another thing I've noticed as I've progressed is the fact that when Sora, Donald, and Goofy arrive at the Mysterious Tower, Donald and Goofy have no idea where they are and that Yen Sid resides there, yet they were there visiting Yen Sid 10 years ago in BBS. Of course, it's because BBS wasn't a game yet and was still only in the early stages of conception, so in terms of continuity, we'll just have to write that plot hole off as them just forgetting over the years that they were there.
Geez, this game's story is even more flawed than I remembered.
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Yeah, I noticed that, too. The entire area was kindve a strange juxtaposition of things we know against things that weren't established quite yet. It kindve kills it for me.
I'll just harp on the point that the story did an awful job in making the Organization members look like a big deal for you to fight. Barring Saix and Xaldin, the other non Xemmy members just look to me like filler. If KH2 was the first game you played from the series you'll have no reason to really dislike Xigbar from a character standpoint because he barely did anything evil. Same for Luxord and Demyx.
If you are going to de-legitimize the disney worlds to make them complete filler, fine but you have to use that time to build up the Organization as individually morally wrong characters. Make it feel like it's a big boss fight when you fight them. Heck they did a reasonable job with this in RE:COM where the writers had no shame in making the Disney worlds filler but they made each organization member fight a special occasion.
KH2 has plenty of problem but this is one that really grinds my gears.
If you are going to de-legitimize the disney worlds to make them complete filler, fine but you have to use that time to build up the Organization as individually morally wrong characters. Make it feel like it's a big boss fight when you fight them. Heck they did a reasonable job with this in RE:COM where the writers had no shame in making the Disney worlds filler but they made each organization member fight a special occasion.
KH2 has plenty of problem but this is one that really grinds my gears.
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I definitely won't blame KH2 for that, but I sure as hell will blame BBS. Donald and Goofy only exist to be D-Links, but their appearance is not just contradictory, but so superficial! Probably to make the game feel less like Sora's stories, but all the same, if they had popped up on one of the Disney worlds, or maybe in Mirage Arena, that would have been leagues better.
In regards to Setzer being a gambler, he is actually all about doing what will make him money, they just nixed the translation of that line in FF6.
Geez I always thought DiZ was such a jerk (before his repentance), but now when you put it that way, I just realised he's an even bigger douchebag than Obama…lol
The weirdest part of the entire game is the fact Sora, Donald, and Goofy return to Atlantica, encounter Ursula (who has made an unexplainable return), and they, along with Ariel, literally have no memory of ever defeating her just a year earlier in the first game.
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Atlantica is just... I don't even hold Atlantica against KH2. It's on its own.
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Or the fact that she lied and betrayed Ariel that year ago, too. I mean, in the film, it's explainable that she would give Ursula a chance seeing how desperate she was, but in KH doing it after you already know she's a liar is really stupid. Besides, she doesn't have the motivation she would have if Triton'd went psychotic like in the movie.
Why does Triton even still hate humans in KH2 after Sora and co. save him the first game? Who knows.
Why does Triton even still hate humans in KH2 after Sora and co. save him the first game? Who knows.
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One of the reasons I like CoM for Atlantica is because they DON'T have Ariel trust Ursula, even though they'd have every reason to allow it in a memory-scenario. But no, she's like "Oh yeah, Ursula's up to no good but I don't want my friend to die." The fact that even CoM was more believable a in this regard made Atlantica 2's scenario worse. Oh well.
It's like somebody came in and hit the 'selective memory' reset button on the world. I always wondered why. It's like KH1 never happened, but it also DID...
I get second hand embarrassment so bad from this game now. But that's just the writing and luckily it's not been too bad in recent games.
after playing though it in hd, yeah its got some major flaws, but it didn't bother me too much. I still love it dearly, and (through some research) I've come to comprehend the story well enough.
Though honestly, I still don't understand why atlantica was necessary, if that a singing mini game. I get at the time Guitar Hero games were cool, but it really could have been done better. Especially since it had no connection to the major plot of the original movie (excluding the first couple minuets of the little mermaid)
it would have been nice to walk away from that world going "How cute
" instead of "Thank God..."
after playing though it in hd, yeah its got some major flaws, but it didn't bother me too much. I still love it dearly, and (through some research) I've come to comprehend the story well enough.
Though honestly, I still don't understand why atlantica was necessary, if that a singing mini game. I get at the time Guitar Hero games were cool, but it really could have been done better. Especially since it had no connection to the major plot of the original movie (excluding the first couple minuets of the little mermaid)
it would have been nice to walk away from that world going "How cute
" instead of "Thank God..."Gameplay-wise, I didn't mind the musical part of Atlantica as much as I minded KHI's swimming, but the story was all over the place (because of "Ursula-amnesia", but I like to think Namine messed up as far as Atlantica memories are concerned). I just hope we're done with the little mairmaid ...
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I took a look at this thread expecting to see actual flaws of the story pointed out. After reading the OP I just can't take it seriously. I understand issues like the whole Atlantica continuity problem but the "flaws" in the OP are just silly. These are something you would hear from the Cinema Sins series but that show is meant to be mostly for entertainment.
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Yeah, the writing is really clunky at times. My favorite scene is when SDG arrive in the realm of darkness after the Battle of the 1000 Heartless, Riku visits, hands them a box and somehow Sora is able to open a gate to the realm of light with the sea-salt ice cream inside.
Apart from the fact that there are so many things wrong here I can't even begin to explain, this has to be the most convoluted way to deliver the rest of Roxas' stuff.
Apart from the fact that there are so many things wrong here I can't even begin to explain, this has to be the most convoluted way to deliver the rest of Roxas' stuff.
I think Donald was refering to an earlier event ... That wasn't the only ice cream in existence you know.
I don't remember that place being stated as the RoD. It could have been a pocket dimension (still in the RoL) akin to where Pete was exiled, and it's not really hard to escape from those.
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