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so i was talking to my friends about poker and gambling and such, when this kid comes up and freaks out on us. hey starts screaming about how gambling is wrong and we are all going to hell because of it:rolleyes:

so anyways, what's your view on gambling?

i don't have a problem with gambling for little amounts because if you lose, not much is lost and you can move on. however, i think that gambling too much like for all your money is wrong because it can seriously ruin your life. also making it a habit can kind of be bad too i guess.

someone also told me it's very sinful to gamble. i haven't been to church in like 5 years, but hey i don't see what the big deal is. i think i've gambled on easter sunday and on good friday before. oops.

so discuss....
 

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I think that gambling is very very wrong not because I'm a muslim though...even if I'm not I'll still think it's wrong.Probably because you're giving off your possesions for more material items.And also gambling is an act of the devil and in a way you are gambling your chances to go to heaven or hell.

I know it's not much but that's all I could think about.
 

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Gambling is just an activity--you do it all the time, but then call it 'educated guesswork'. Pull your car up to make a left-hand turn through a street, and you estimate if you can make it through before cross-traffic T-bones you. The only difference with gambling is that you can profit--or lose--based on an activity that presents no inherent risk to you. I've been in and out of various casino's, and for a brief while made my rent in college thanks to gambling. It's all in how you play.

Oh, and for your religious friend? Gambling is not a sing: In the book of Job, the Devil strikes a bet with God that Job will crack and turn away from God if his luck completely bottoms out. God accepts that bet, and makes Job's life utter hell. If God can gamble, then gambling is not a sin by definition. Also, in Jewish tradition, gambling is perfectly acceptable and even encouraged. It's part of understanding risk, and is a lot of fun when playing dradle. So much chocolate coins to win!
 

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ohhh! i love gambling. i play dice with my friends all the time. but its always for small stuff, like spare change. i play 21 as well. thats always fun. it helps lean when someone is bluffing in real life. thats a good thing
 

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i also really like it. i play poker every other weekend. the thing is, it's not like im losing thousands of dollars, if im unlucky, i lose $5 and if a am lucky, i get my money back or more.
 

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occasionally its ok (like every year i'll bet on the Melbourne cup horse races) but to the point of obsession thats when its a problem
 

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I think that gambling is very very wrong not because I'm a muslim though...even if I'm not I'll still think it's wrong.Probably because you're giving off your possesions for more material items.And also gambling is an act of the devil and in a way you are gambling your chances to go to heaven or hell.

I know it's not much but that's all I could think about.

....I'm sorry, but gtfo of here with that talk.

We play poker at school during lunch. We play for out lunch money, so its not really that big of a deal. Even doing it for large sums of money isn't that bad. I mean, you are concious of what you are doing. You are aware of the consiquences.
 

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Gambling is just an activity--you do it all the time, but then call it 'educated guesswork'. Pull your car up to make a left-hand turn through a street, and you estimate if you can make it through before cross-traffic T-bones you. The only difference with gambling is that you can profit--or lose--based on an activity that presents no inherent risk to you. I've been in and out of various casino's, and for a brief while made my rent in college thanks to gambling. It's all in how you play.

Oh, and for your religious friend? Gambling is not a sing: In the book of Job, the Devil strikes a bet with God that Job will crack and turn away from God if his luck completely bottoms out. God accepts that bet, and makes Job's life utter hell. If God can gamble, then gambling is not a sin by definition. Also, in Jewish tradition, gambling is perfectly acceptable and even encouraged. It's part of understanding risk, and is a lot of fun when playing dradle. So much chocolate coins to win!

God merely ALLOWED the Devil to mess with Job's life; there was no bet whatsoever. In our church, gambling is morally and spiritually degrading. It is trying to gain something from nothing. We strive to do good, and if we gamble, we loose that motivation and basically all other feelings.

Direct quote from the Bible :

11 Satan speaking: But put forth thine ahand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will bcurse thee to thy face.

12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy apower; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

There was no bet here.
 

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God merely ALLOWED the Devil to mess with Job's life; there was no bet whatsoever. In our church, gambling is morally and spiritually degrading. It is trying to gain something from nothing. We strive to do good, and if we gamble, we loose that motivation and basically all other feelings.

Hmmm, I'd be very curious to learn what is considered a good transaction. Is buying cheap goods at Wal-Mart that was made by people toiling in poverty in near slave-labor conditions considered degrading? We gain from nothing all the time, we just cloak it into different legal terms so that it's aesthetically acceptable. After all, you benefit with a job, general health, a certain amount of protection, certain rights and guarantees just by being a US citizen. You did nothing to earn that.

Please understand that I am not slighting your beliefs in this instance, but I am most curious about where the limits really are as valued by your belief structure. For example, Whole Foods--an excellent grocery store, btw--has a value that no price shall exceed 14% of the cost. They also mandate that no one may be paid more than 14 times the wage of the lowest earner in the company. I applaud values like that, because, while arbitrarily determined, it does indicate a desire to be absolute with their treatment of the public and their staff that I believe to be a fair and equitable arrangement.


Direct quote from the Bible :

11 Satan speaking: But put forth thine ahand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will bcurse thee to thy face.

12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy apower; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

There was no bet here.

A personal favorite quote of mine is in this chapter. It's: 7 And the LORD said to Satan, "Whence do you come?" Then Satan answered the LORD and said, "From roaming the earth and patrolling it."

Shouldn't God already have known what Satan was doing and where he was if he was all-powerful? But that's not the point of debate here.

Bet:
I was using the 7'th definition of Bet listed as:
7. a person, plan of action, etc., considered as being a good alternative; choice: Your best bet is to sell your stocks now. That's from dictionary.com.

Gambling:
I was using the 5'th, 6'th, and 7'th definitions for gambling:
5. to take a chance on; venture; risk: I'm gambling that our new store will be a success.
–noun
6. any matter or thing involving risk or hazardous uncertainty.
7. a venture in a game of chance for stakes, esp. for high stakes.

The parable told from the lines you quoted does meet the criteria for both a bet and for gambling. It was a chance undertaking, a plan of action agreed to by God and Satan, something that involved a risk for God. I believe that my interpretation is quite valid.
 
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I am most curious about where the limits really are as valued by your belief structure.

No offence taken. I completely understand what you're saying. As for the limits of our belief in non-gambling, it is at the point when gambling reaches consequential choices and actions that we stop. As a matter of fact, our religion bans gambling all together just so we do not get into the addiction of gambling. Like they say, once you start, you can't stop. Sure there are people who say that they control themselves when gambling, but why take the risk when you can stay in the safe area?

Just the other night, I was playing the game "Deal or No Deal" (based off of the TV show) with a group of friends; instead, we played without using real money. There is an example of what I just said; what we were doing would not have any bad consequences or consequences at all. We were simply playing for fun.

What are church insists that we not do is gamble with money or our lives. As quoted from our church leaders, "It leads participants away from the Savior's teachings of love and service and toward the selfishness of the adversary. It undermines the virtues of work and thrift and the desire to give honest effort in all we do."

That is a clear example of why we do not gamble. Another one is found here, "The Church … is opposed to any game of chance, occupation, or so-called business, which takes money from the person who may be possessed of it without giving value received in return. It is opposed to all practices the tendency of which is to encourage the spirit of reckless speculation. …” as said by Heber J. Grant.

I never and will never want to gamble.

~Thank you =)
 

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I never and will never want to gamble.

~Thank you =)

are you sure!? its pretty fun! ha, w/e

gambling hasn't changed me at all, its just a fun activity to do, with a chance of making money out of it. it would be amazing if you could play in the world poker tour and be one of the big players. getting money to play a card game....amazing. i think i need a better poker face before i do any real tourney's tho.
 

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Gamblings a game, I like games, but I don't like gambling. Mostly because I know the probability of me willing, and I prefer to whittle my money away on something that'll last longer than a few minutes on a poker table.

The funnest way to gamble is with candy, change or with junk items. Instead of betting your money, you bet something like '2 M&Ms, 3 Mini-snickers, and I raise you a mini-twix!'. You could collect things that you don't use often (Or small object you've collected/found) and bet those, or you can collect all of your change together and bet that too. That way nobody really loses lots of money, but you can win a few good dollars.

...Nothing against it, it's fun, I'm just paranoid. x3
 

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i also really like it. i play poker every other weekend. the thing is, it's not like im losing thousands of dollars, if im unlucky, i lose $5 and if a am lucky, i get my money back or more.
This is how me and my friends play. $5 buy in, second place gets their money back (maybe a little more depending on the # of players), and first gets whatever is left.

I myself don't play that much, about once a month, and as long as you don't have an addiction, or you aren't putting a lot of money on it, then I don't really see the problem.
 

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This is how me and my friends play. $5 buy in, second place gets their money back (maybe a little more depending on the # of players), and first gets whatever is left.

I myself don't play that much, about once a month, and as long as you don't have an addiction, or you aren't putting a lot of money on it, then I don't really see the problem.

yeah, that's pretty much how we work. and i agree, as long as there's no addiction then its ok.


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Gamblings a game, I like games, but I don't like gambling. Mostly because I know the probability of me willing, and I prefer to whittle my money away on something that'll last longer than a few minutes on a poker table.

well when you play poker, you can estimate your odds, especially for texas hold 'em. and why have a measly $5 when you can have like $30!? well i guess if you are good at poker or not. and ppl can be at a poker table for more than a few minutes. usually i play one game in 4 hours.
 
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