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Re: Frozen - Sequel REALLY coming so you never have to "let it go"

Why is being homosexual supposedly "against family values"?
Because if you say "family", people sympathize with you and it's easier to make them join in on your hatred.

Since when are they opposite? Just because they can't procreate together?
Maybe these people live in a world where kids still need the shouting of a "good" mother and the beating of a "good" father like BACK IN THE DAAAYYY.
Or maybe they think two fathers can't care for a child and two mothers can't discipline it. Or maybe they're assholes.

If that's the case, then are people who are against homosexual marriage/romance also against adoption or couples with no children?
Some, maybe, but most of them? Of course not. Why? Because "THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING!!11!11"
They can never explain why, though.

The most famous argument is:
"The child will get bullied in school."
And of coooooooooourse the homosexual parents are to blame for that. Not...like...you know...the bullies. Or the bullies' parents for bad parenting.
 

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Because if you say "family", people sympathize with you and it's easier to make them join in on your hatred.

Maybe these people live in a world where kids still need the shouting of a "good" mother and the beating of a "good" father like BACK IN THE DAAAYYY.
Or maybe they think two fathers can't care for a child and two mothers can't discipline it. Or maybe they're assholes.

Some, maybe, but most of them? Of course not. Why? Because "THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING!!11!11"
They can never explain why, though.

The most famous argument is:
"The child will get bullied in school."
And of coooooooooourse the homosexual parents are to blame for that. Not...like...you know...the bullies. Or the bullies' parents for bad parenting.
Man I too easily forget how close minded and behind a lot of people still are. Living in a hippie state has mostly kept me in a bubble from all that stupidity.
 

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Re: Frozen - Sequel REALLY coming so you never have to "let it go"

The most famous argument is:
"The child will get bullied in school."
And of coooooooooourse the homosexual parents are to blame for that. Not...like...you know...the bullies. Or the bullies' parents for bad parenting.
That's one fxcking weak excuse. Kids can get bullied over EVERYTHING. Most of the time, it's over even stupider things than this, or sometimes for no reason at all. Having same-sex parents is honestly just a drop in the bucket in terms of "senseless cruelty fodder."

I'm kinda disgusted that these people are using my religion to push their own agendas. Oh sure, JUSTIFY the generalization that all Christians are homophobes. Continue to make a mockery of the faith's core messages. THAT won't make you look like slimy hypocrites for sure!

Screw all of this. Elsa should stay strong, independent, and single. She's a snow queen... She doesn't need romantic love to be complete as a person. THAT is a role model that I can get behind.
 
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Re: Frozen - Sequel REALLY coming so you never have to "let it go"

Yeah, of course there doesn't have to be a reason.
If the bullying victim leaves and the class loved the rest of their fellow students - guess what? Someone else will be the victim, no matter how much they all liked each other.

The reason I think Frozen doesn't need romance is that I actually enjoyed the idea of love between SIBLINGS as a chance instead of romantic love. But oh well.
 

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That's one fxcking weak excuse. Kids can get bullied over EVERYTHING. Most of the time, it's over even stupider things than this, or sometimes for no reason at all. Having same-sex parents is honestly just a drop in the bucket in terms of "senseless cruelty fodder."

I'm kinda disgusted that these people are using my religion to push their own agendas. Oh sure, JUSTIFY the generalization that all Christians are homophobes. Continue to make a mockery of the faith's core messages. THAT won't make you look like slimy hypocrites for sure!

Screw all of this. Elsa should stay strong, independent, and single. She's a snow queen... She doesn't need romantic love to be complete as a person. THAT is a role model that I can get behind.
A Kipling men! Preach. Also if Elsa can grow as a character and do stuff, that would be great.
 

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I don't care if she gets a partner or not as long as neither of it feels super-forced.
I just think there's a reason they focussed on Elsa and Anna's relationship in the first movie and should cling to that.
 

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Re: Frozen - Sequel REALLY coming so you never have to "let it go"

Well, Anna was still given a love interest (two, even) while still having her relationship to Elsa being important. I don't see how they couldn't manage giving Elsa a female love interest while still keeping her relationship to Anna being important. For me it's either single or gay (and gay > single), I don't want anything else lol.
 

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Well, Anna was still given a love interest (two, even) while still having her relationship to Elsa being important. I don't see how they couldn't manage giving Elsa a female love interest while still keeping her relationship to Anna being important. For me it's either single or gay (and gay > single), I don't want anything else lol.
They could manage to, but I already see them focus on Elsa's love-relationship way more than about the sibling's relationship. I don't know why. Maybe because I don't even see a reason why there's going to be a sequel, story-wise....
It just somehow reminds me of how Mulan 2 abandoned the whole "women can be so strong and independent!" theme by focussing on four separate love stories.
 

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Re: Frozen - Sequel REALLY coming so you never have to "let it go"

Regardless of the gender, I still suspect Elsa will be paired with either a fellow ice magic user or a flame one in the sequel. Someone who could really relate to her
 

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Re: Frozen - Sequel REALLY coming so you never have to "let it go"

Yeah in general I'm not sure what they would make a story out of for Frozen 2. Like, love interest or not, there still has to be another sort of plot going on. Maybe they'll do a OUAT and bring in the Snow Queen as a separate character from Elsa or something? :/
 

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Yeah in general I'm not sure what they would make a story out of for Frozen 2. Like, love interest or not, there still has to be another sort of plot going on. Maybe they'll do a OUAT and bring in the Snow Queen as a separate character from Elsa or something? :/
Haven't seen OUAT but that sounds stupid.
....They'll do it.

Yeah somehow I can see something like a fire-type villain who turns into a love interest somehow. Ugh. Please no.
 

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Re: Frozen - Sequel REALLY coming so you never have to "let it go"

You could have Elsa exploring the origins of her powers as a plot point. Maybe Anna and Kristoff's child getting ice powers as well
 

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Re: Frozen - Sequel REALLY coming so you never have to "let it go"

Haven't seen OUAT but that sounds stupid.
....They'll do it.

Yeah somehow I can see something like a fire-type villain who turns into a love interest somehow. Ugh. Please no.
they have sex and olaf dies

chaotic good
 

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Re: Frozen - Sequel REALLY coming so you never have to "let it go"

My head canon still has the Fire user character but is more of a companion, a "what if other lands had their own magic users" sort of thing. A bit cliche but a delicious one at that.
 

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You could have Elsa exploring the origins of her powers as a plot point. Maybe Anna and Kristoff's child getting ice powers as well
That reminds me of how Dudley Dursely ends up having a daughter with magic, inherited from Harry/Lily.

edit: well that was almost made canon at least.
 
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Re: Frozen - Sequel REALLY coming so you never have to "let it go"

That reminds me of how Dudley Dursely ends up having a daughter with magic, inherited from Harry/Lily.

edit: well that was almost made canon at least.
Yeah, but I think Rowling said something like "no one with Vernon Dursleys DNA would EVER be able to me a wizard" or something like that, right?
Still, yeah, maybe. But that still leaves the question what the plot would be. Someone kidnapping the child for reasons?
 

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If there's one thing I'm hoping to see in the sequel is that we get to see more elements from the original Anderson story be brought into it. Like the idea of a mirror that lets one see the worst in everybody and the troll who was responsible for that to happen which he can act as a villain actually.
 

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