So who do you think the true hero was???? Frodo or Sam? Or someone else?
Frodo vs Sam
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Sam. (In the movies, since I haven't read the books yet) Every time Frodo fell... Sam picked him up. Frodo was a biiiig baby.
Agreed, DWD. Sam rocks. He even saved Frodo way more than once, and Frodo was MEAN to him!
I don't think Frodo vs Sam is the right title.....
Anyway definatly Sam because he is much more courages and always stays by Frodos side. Even, really, when Gollum plays his dirty little tricks and make Frodo think Sam is planing to take the ring, Sam was right there when Frodo needed him most.
Anyway definatly Sam because he is much more courages and always stays by Frodos side. Even, really, when Gollum plays his dirty little tricks and make Frodo think Sam is planing to take the ring, Sam was right there when Frodo needed him most.
I don't think either of them desrve to be the hero. but our of the 2 it would be Sam. He carried Frodo that's why he is more a of a hero.
But you also have to think that Frodo had the ring with him, and, really the ring weighs Frodo down, making him lust for the ring. And, Frodo, even though he eventully succumbs holds up very well. So Frodo may also have as much courage as Sam in that he takes the ring, knowing that it could easily destroy him.
sam was the one who killed the big spider when frodo didn't. sam was the one who didn't trust simge(sp).and he carried Frodo most of the way.he told that idiot frodo to throw away the ring. so i think Sam is the part of the hero of Lord of the Rings
Don't call Frodo an idoit, really, think about it, do you have enough strength to not succumb o the ring.
And he didn't kill Shelob really, just wounded her.
Well, Sam played a VERY large role, and had his time as the hero (rescueing Frodo from the Orc Tower), but Frodo was the Hero of LOTR. He was, and always will be, the main character. He also held the item in question: The Ring. Sam DID have it for a while, but still, Frodo had it the most way.
Gollum is the true hero...without his wanton desire for the ring, the ring would still exist on Frodo's finger, consuming him.
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Well my vote goes to sam because he carried frodo almost half the way, always saved frodo, called him Mr. frodo, and if you notice he was NEVER tempted by the ring at all. Infact at one point he holds it for frodo and he gives it back right away. That and sam acctually killed orcs as where frodo did nothing.
My other vote goes to aragon because not only is he the king of men but he acctually orchestrated all the battles for the victory of the good guys, but he coragously distracted the WHOE ARMY behind the black gate with a lited amount of men and ran up against impossible odds just so frodo could throw the ring into the fire and end the madness. He was even unsure whether or not he would live. That is a hero for you.
My other vote goes to aragon because not only is he the king of men but he acctually orchestrated all the battles for the victory of the good guys, but he coragously distracted the WHOE ARMY behind the black gate with a lited amount of men and ran up against impossible odds just so frodo could throw the ring into the fire and end the madness. He was even unsure whether or not he would live. That is a hero for you.
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All I'm gonn say is that they were both heroes in their own way, and both did an equal part.
DWD said:
Don’t forget that Sam was actually Frodo’s gardener, so he was a servant of Frodo, thus he was required to look after him in such a way. Besides, Gandalf made Sam go with Frodo for that very reason – to look after him.
That aside, Sam was still supposed to be Frodo’s friend. Nobody would just leave their friend lying in the dirt, when the fate of Middle Earth depended on Frodo reaching Mount Doom to destroy the ring. Therefore, Sam’s motives for helping Frodo could be seen as somewhat selfish.
OSOD said:
Frodo was being seduced by the ring. He wasn’t in a state of mind to be “nice”. In fact, if anything Frodo remained relatively pleasant throughout, considering how other characters such as Boromir would have been if they had been in possession of the ring. The most important thing was for Frodo to resist using the ring for himself, rather than something as insignificant as keeping up niceties.
MASTER-SEPHIROTH said:
The book explicitly states that when Sam carried Frodo, that Frodo was almost weightless, making this very easy for Sam, rather than something commendable. Also, Sam possessed the ring for too little time to feel tempted by it.
You all grossly underestimate the impact of Frodo. He was a hero in the truest sense of the word – he displayed all the qualities required of one. The task of destroying the ring should have never been his, yet he was selfless in volunteering to undertake the mission at the Council of Elrond. And despite everything, he managed to accomplish it, even though he was the least equipped character to do so, being a hobbit. Think how easy in comparison it would have been for someone like Gandalf to do it, but Frodo did it, so deserves recognition and praise.
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Ahh but he still carried him when he fell now didn't he. It dose not matter how hard the task is as long as you do it.
Frodo feinted at least 6 times or more during the trilogy, not very impressive.
Now to your ring argument, he had it for a fairly long time and if I remember correctly he had it during one of frodos feint scenes or somthing along those lines. Also the time you posses it dose not matter. Any other person, even gandalf, would have been consumed by the power of the ring if it was in their pocket or given to them.
I shall have to repeat myself in fewer words. It was his DUTY to, not only that, but the consequences if he hadn't picked up Frodo would have been colossal. The entire world would have been under the control of Sauron.
If the fate of the world is in your hands, you are constantly being preyed upon by the Nazgul, you have scores of enemies all trying to prevent you from achieving your goal, you are having to walk across the WORLD without much aid, and worst of all you have the weight of the ring and are having to resist it's power, fainting is hardly a crime.
OMG. WRONG. The time that you posess the ring does matter. The evidence is in the state of ill health that Bilbo was after posessing the after many decades. In fact, although the Ring had increased his life span, he felt "thin", "worn-out" and "somewhat stretched". Because of his ill health, he was required to go to Valinor.
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Dose that change the fact that frodo was fainting, half asleep, or unconcious the time, no it dosn't
Yeah it is acctually because he somtimes feinted during BATTLE. Not only that but I bet aragon and the others would have loved to rest like frodo always did, making sam carry him, but no they are fighting battles of epic paportions. Also what about when they stoped in the third one WHILE ON MOUNT DOOM. While they are resting and talking aragon and his men are DYING when all they have to do is walk up a bloody mountain to destro all evil.
That is if the ring taints your mind and if it is the center of your life, thats how you turn out the way bilbo or smegal did.
What I was saying is that if anyone else took the ring, the world would be doomed because they could not resist its power. If you think back GANDALF says this.
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I think that Frodo did well for the task he took upon himself. I just like Sam better.
I don't think Sam was his servant in the terms you are using. He was HIRED to be his gardener. There's a difference.
I think that Frodo did well for the task he took upon himself. I just like Sam better.
I don't think Sam was his servant in the terms you are using. He was HIRED to be his gardener. There's a difference.
I bet Frodo would have preferred to be fighting a battle of "epic proportions", along with thousands of other peons. Of course it's a matter of personal opinion, but I think Frodo most definately had the hardest task. For a start, even if he was not in direct conflict, his risk of dying was much higher than anyone else's.
Frodo and Sam stopped on Mount Doom because Frodo's strength was sapped, rendering him virtually dead, and unable to move. Let me reiterate, physically unable rather than lazy, which is what you seem to be suggesting. Aragorn and the rest of the former members of the fellowship, stopped on various occasions, and enjoyed more leisurely trips. For example Merry and Pippin were carried by Treebeard, and Pippin, as a Guard of Gondor, had very few duties and was in the hospitality of Denethor.
Exactly, "if anyone else" had posession of the ring. This demonstrates that Frodo had a great resistance to the ring, as until the very end, upon reaching Mount Doom, he did not wish to use the ring for power. However, characters sucsh as Gandalf and Aragorn did not take the ring on that basis as they knew they would have succumbed to it. Possibly, this indicates that Frodo is of a great moral fibre, and certainly it singles out Frodo as superior to the rest.
I understand that, yet you pose the question of heroism, not popularity. I am stating that Frodo is more heroic than Samwise.
Indeed, he was hired to be his gardener, yet similarly, on this quest, he was supposed to be fufilling a role whereby he would be of assistance to Frodo. Essentially, that was the purpose of the Fellowship - to aid the destruction of the Ring.
Moreover, another episode which highlights Frodo's courage is that he persisted in his task, despite the breaking of the Fellowship.
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Yay. Someone who HASN'T read the books.
In the books, Sam is indeed tempted to put on the ring, and claim it as his own. Becoming "Samwise The Brave", and holding a fiery sword. Not entirely sure on the exact place, but I'll get back on this.
Sam, however, does REJECT the idea, so that shows that he has a good ammount of willpower.
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