FF7R Possible Tie in to Kingdom Hearts

[Eonstar890]

In KH3 Sora barely survives the prophecy that "light will expire", but he is able to cling on to life thanks to Kairi believing he could. He ends up in the final world, and uses his power to rewrite the events of the past so that the guardians are not immediately defeated by Terra-Xehanort. In interviews and what not, the creators have described this event as a singularity.

Once again after defying the fate set for Kairi by returning her to the RoL, Sora fades away and ends up in the final world.

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Now in FF7R, the ending has the group literally fighting destiny with the goal of freeing them from a perilous future. When they first step through the portal taking them to this battle ground of fate the location shows it as being a singularity...

Now of course this could just be similar themes and storylines spanning two different games but the kicker that got me thinking of this possible connection was the location where each of the respective heroes ends up.

With Sora, we know the place he finds himself is the final world, a world of nothing but endless water and a sky. Directly after arriving here he sets off to change the past. Cloud and co. destroy the Arbiter of Fate, (effectively altering their future) and then end up in strange place with nothing but a watery floor and besides that they are bathed in light making it difficult to see beyond what may exist.

Another interesting note is that when Sora returns to the Final World, Yozora is able to manipulate everything around him to transform into a huge city. Similarly, at first it seems Cloud is in this water world, before Sephiroth appears and summons a scene of the meteor destroying Midgar. In both cases the antagonist was able to completely alter the surroundings.

One more detail that may be insignificant, but I thought was interesting. Sora's journey to change the past began in the final world, where as Cloud's journey to change the future ends in what appears to be the final world.

Is it all just coincidence? Am I reading too heavily into one scene? Let me know what you think.

 

[Zetsumei]

If there is a crossover at all it will probably take the form of a datascape or a dreamworld.

My best theory atm is that FF worlds with respect to KH are all video games like Verum Rex, which in KH terms would make them datascapes similar to the Tron world.

I think this is why Yozora was introduced, to show us how these FF characters came to arrive in KH and how it might become possible for us to visit these worlds.

KH so far has focused mainly on travel to Disney worlds, and my hope is that the next saga will expand the KH universe to include travel to FF worlds as well.

What I'm not sure they'll actually do though is make the FF worlds in KH connect canonically to the actual FF universes of their respective games.

The best comparison I can think of is how FFXIV handles locations and references to other FF titles. For example in FFXIV you have characters that appear such as Kefka, Exdeath, Ramza, and locations such as Ivalice, or Doma, but the similarities end with name and appearance only. They all have their own in universe lore that is separate from the lore of the FF games that they come from.

There are some special cases, however, during certain special events where characters are supposed to have visited FFXIV's universe from their respective canonical FF universes. These include characters like Lightning, Noctis, and Shantotto, who all were explained to have arrived in FFXIV due to canonical reasons and then returned to their own worlds after the event. FFXIV's universe itself is actually referred to as a dreamworld with respect to these characters.

So while it is possible they could choose to go either way, I think its more likely that they would choose to make non canonical FF worlds for KH and not have the two universes lore collide directly with each other.

 

[MATGSY]

In the sense that Nomura ran out of ideas, yes.

 

[Clue.Less]

I just finished FFVIIR

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and I was bummed that the end felt like playing KH... Enough with the turning meta into plot and lore, Nomura. It's only fun if you do it once.

I also noticed that

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they've re-used the grey Shinra Combat Simulator dome in the Yozora boss battle (or is the other way around?). Spending time in that Simulator is the closest I'll ever get to the Yozora fight, so that was nice

Oh and also

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using fights to collect data... Chadley is like CoM Vexen with Ienzo's personality.

That being said, I'd love to see FFVII(R) references or characters return in future KH games. Like I'd love to have an adult Zack wandering in Yozora's vicinity or a slightly-older BBS Zack in TWEWY.

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I'm all for a Zack-lives AU being part of KH.

And KH Aerith could help Yozora reunite with the Nameless Star somehow.

 

[Deleted member 246005]

I'm just hoping Cloud gets his KH1 powers and design back. Him having the one devil wing was so cool back in the day.