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I have a friend who says he is not going to eat or sleep for three days. Three days he will spend meditating and praying.

This not only strikes me as freakish and bizarre but also foolish. Supposedly the idea is to bring yourself closer to God by denying yourself the things of the flesh. Aside from the physical concerns I think I would question any 'religious experience' I have while denying my mind the necessary sleep to discern reality from fantasy.

So this thread is about that situation in particular as well as general discussion of meditation and fasting as a religious practice.
 

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I can understand the not eating part, but losing sleep is just unhealthy. 90% of my family are very spiritual people and while fasting and meditation is great, anything that is bad for you will not bring you closer to God. I think pseudo-meditation is rampart in many parts of the world and brings the illusion of being closer to God, but I know there are genuine techniques to do so. I`ve heard pretty crazy stories about saints and seen some crazy stuff to know that there are somethings in this world we`ll never understand.

As for fasting, I fast every year.
 

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Don't trust any "visions" he has, obviously.

Meditation does have some positive benefits, but nothing I would consider actually spiritual, just mental. I could never fast.
 

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I can understand the not eating part, but losing sleep is just unhealthy. 90% of my family are very spiritual people and while fasting and meditation is great, anything that is bad for you will not bring you closer to God. I think pseudo-meditation is rampart in many parts of the world and brings the illusion of being closer to God, but I know there are genuine techniques to do so. I`ve heard pretty crazy stories about saints and seen some crazy stuff to know that there are somethings in this world we`ll never understand.

As for fasting, I fast every year.

me too, during ramadan
you muslim?
 

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i think there's something to be said about taking care of the body god has granted you.
 

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Itt: nobody understands the point of fasting

The idea is not exclusive to judeo-christian/islamic belief structures. The concept is rooted in the belief that there is more to life than the flesh. To simply obey the body's impulses demonstrates a lack of control, the individual becomes a slave to the flesh. The flesh I representative of the material world, what we see, the emperical. To be controlled by the material world is to ignore that which we cannot see or measure. What would we be without these unseen truths but animals?
 

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i'm going to say this again, but fasting, in christian theology, is meant to bring an "internal" change; whether it be a behavior, a philosophy, an attitude, etc. It's meant to make the person consider what in his/her life is UNNECESSARY and channel the resources put into that activity into something that helps someone else.
 

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While I do not fast, I do try and take time to meditate.

Fasting however is not always bad. In some cases it can do your body and mind good if done right. It doesnt mean that you go completely without food or water and it doesn't mean that you do it for an exceedingly long period of time. Of course you still have to take care of your body. Different people fast in different ways and for different reasons though. So I really couldnt say my opinion on those things.
 

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Also fasting doesn't have anything to do with food neccessarily either. In Ramadan, you cannot smoke, have sex, etc. The point is to remain as pure as possible
 

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I fast. But not for spiritual reasons. It makes me feel like I have control over something. I do yoga, does that count for meditation? Wait......no, I don't think so, huh?
 

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Also fasting doesn't have anything to do with food neccessarily either. In Ramadan, you cannot smoke, have sex, etc. The point is to remain as pure as possible
yep thats totally right :) , ramathan (idk why do people spell it rama'd'an lol)
i'm fasting now 'till the sunset which we be in 1 hour left :D .
 

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yep thats totally right :) , ramathan (idk why do people spell it rama'd'an lol)
i'm fasting now 'till the sunset which we be in 1 hour left :D .

Wow, haha, time zones...I broke my fast...around 4 hours ago. XD

And...won't you fall ill if you don't sleep? I always end up having a high fever if I stay up so late. :(
 
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Fasting is actually a great way to learn self restrain for everything. As mentioned above, its not just about not eating from sunrise till sunset, but abstaining from all forms of acts that are considered haraam (forbidden) You shouldn't speak evil (swearing, lying, backbiting, slandering) see evil (pornographic material e.t.c) hear evil (music, backbiting, slandering e.t.c) and control all your limbs from evil (meaning don't cause physical harm to anyone or yourself). And also to not engage in any sexual acts between sunrise and sunset.
If all this is done, that is what benefits you. And plus if you are able to control your hunger, you can pretty much control all other desires. This month is a blessed month to be grateful for what you have and bring yourself closer to Allah. And what a person must remember is that if they can learn self restraint for 30 days, why not 31? why not 32? why not 60? You basically learn from this and show Allah that you can continue to control yourself to gain His pleasure and blessings. It makes you a much better human being. And being a good human being is what makes a good Muslim.
 
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I'm bumping this thread because in exactly 46 minutes (EST), it will be Ramadan. If you live somewhere else like the Middle East, then it's already happening for you.
So who's fasting. Why or why not. What time do you guys need to end Sahoor and when do you break fast?
 

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I'm bumping this thread because in exactly 46 minutes (EST), it will be Ramadan. If you live somewhere else like the Middle East, then it's already happening for you.
So who's fasting. Why or why not. What time do you guys need to end Sahoor and when do you break fast?
Ramadan Kareem brother. (Or Ramadan Mubarak if your from the Indo-Pak regions lol)
The beautiful month has begun Alhamdulillah. Well here in England Iftar is just after 9pm whilst sehri was about 3.45am. Long time but Alhamdulillah, the greater the test the greater the benefit.

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For those who would like some more info on what Ramadan is as well as a Reminder of the blessings of this month to fellow Muslims, I'll just quote a compilation of Hadiith from ibn Khuzayma's collection and Imam Ahmad.

O you who believe! Observing As-Saum (the fasting) is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, that you may become Al-Muttaqoon (the pious).
Al-Qur'an - Al-Baqara Ch2:V183

The Messenger of Allah had addressed the people:
"O people! shadowing you is a great month, a blessed month, a month in which is a night greater than a thousand months. Allah has made fasting compulsory in this month and has made staying awake at night rewarding.

"Whoever draws nearer (to Allah) by performing any deed of good in it (Ramadan), he is as one who has performed a Fard in any (time) other than it. And whoever performs in it a Fard, he is as one who has performed seventy Fara'id in any (time) other than it.

"It is the month of patience; and of patience, its reward is Jannah. It is a month of consoling, and it is the month wherein a believer"s sustenance is increased.

"Whoever in it feeds a fasting person (or provides the means of opening the fast), it will be for him forgiveness for his sins, and the freedom of his neck (i.e. himself) from the Fire. And for him is the same reward (as the fasting person) without his (the fasting person's) reward being lessened in the least."

The companions interjected:
"Not all of us have what feeds a fasting person."

The Messenger of Allah answered:
"Allah grants this reward to one who feeds a fasting person with a single date, or a drink of water, or a sip of milk."

(The Messenger of Allah continued:)
"And it is a month the beginning of which is mercy, the centre of which is forgiveness and the end of which is freedom from the Fire.
"Whoever makes things easy for his subordinates, Allah will forgive him and free him from the Fire.

"Increase in Ramadan four deeds, two of which will please your Lord and two of which you will not find success in besides. The two deeds that your Lord is pleased with are, the (recitation of) Shahadah, that there is no god but Allah, and your seeking forgiveness from Him. The two deeds that there is no success besides them are, you asking Allah for Heaven and you seeking His protection from Hell.

"And whoever satisfies the hunger of a fasting person, Allah will give Him water to drink from my pool. Such a drink that he will not feel thirsty even when he enters heaven."
Ibn Khuzaymah, al-Bayhaqi

Once when the moon of Ramadan was seen, the Messenger P.B.U.H. said:
"If Allah"s servants knew what Ramadan was, they would wish that it were perpetually Ramadan."

A person from the Khuza`ah tribe asked:
"O Nabi of Allah, tell us."

The Messenger P.B.U.H. continued:
"Indeed Heaven is adorned for Ramadan from the beginning of each year till the next. When it is the first day of Ramadan a wind blows from beneath the Throne, through which the leaves of heaven all rustle.

"The *[P.B.U.H. will see this and ask, "O Lord! make for us, in this month, from Your servants spouses who will be the joy of our eyes, and of whose eyes we will be the cause of joy.

"Allah will reply, "The servant who fasts for a day in Ramadan will be paired with a spouse from the wide-eyed *[P.B.U.H. in a tent made of a (single) pearl."
Ibn Khuzaymah, al-Bayhaqi, Abu Ya`la

The Messenger P.B.U.H. has said:
"My Ummah has been given five things in regards to Ramadan which has not been given to any other ummah before them. (One is) that the odour of the mouth of a fasting person is more fragrant according to Allah than musk. (The second is) that the angels continuously seek forgiveness on their behalf until they end their fast. (The third is) that Allah, the Mighty and Magnificent, everyday adorns His Heaven and then says (to it),

"The time is near when My pious servants shall be freed from difficulties and (meager) provisions, and they will come to You. (The fourth is) that the shaytan will be shackled and restrained from performing the mischief that they can perform outside Ramadan. (The fifth is) that they (the fasting) will be forgiven on the last night of Ramadan."

It was asked:
"O Prophet of Allah! Is that the night of Qadr (Power)".

The Messenger P.B.U.H. replied:
"No (i.e. the night of Qadr is additional to all this). But it is that a worker should get his reward upon the work"s completion."
Ahmad
 

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question: when you're fasting can you eat your fingernails???
 

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question: when you're fasting can you eat your fingernails???

You want to avoid bad habits regardless. If you are doing anything for "pleasure" then it's not allowed. It's hard to explain that. It is really all about intent, ignore my use of the word pleasure. For example, you are allowed to brush your teeth with toothpaste when fasting, but you can't swallow anything. Likewise, if your mouth gets incredibly dry, you can flush it with water, but once again you can't swallow it.

Whenever I fast, my lips get incredibly dry, and subconsciously (I guess out of hunger?) I start to use my teeth to peel the skin off my lips. This is a habit I want to kick.
 
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