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You did not read my post.
I said the elements of a human.
Dreams dont fit in.

Aunbirth can not be born of something that does not have a physical form.
Which i can usually explain to you.

Actually, something CAN be made out of nothing. The Keyblades themselves are more than enough basis for this.
Specifically, the Keyblade or at least the Keychain Riku used on the Keyblade he gave to Kairi was made of his Memories of Destiny Islands, thus your claim is nulled.
That aside, I stated often, as well as in the topic post, that Dreams are possibly based on the Soul.
The one that doesn't read posts here is you.
 

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Ahem something can not be made of nothing.
Memories can take a form.
Hearts can take a form.
When have dreams taken a form?
I read your theory i said its possible if you read my post.
But again.
To be an unbirth i think youd have to be born thus dreams would have to have a physical form.
 

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Ahem something can not be made of nothing.
Memories can take a form.
Hearts can take a form.
When have dreams taken a form?

When did Memories take on a form before CoM?
Just because something didn't happen yet doesn't mean it wouldn't happen in future games, especially since BBS was a turning point as far as the rules are concerned - after BBS came the rules of today as we know them. We can't use them to judge what happened in BBs itself, though.

To be an unbirth i think youd have to be born thus dreams would have to have a physical form.

The birth for those Unbirths would be the Dreamer Falling Asleep and creating the Dream.
Should I say it again or will this time be sufficient?
 

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To me im just stating what i think.
Yo be an unbirth you would have to be born int he realm of light having a body heart and soul.
I think you are stripped of certaint hings you posessee.
Going by your theory of dreams what stopped the unbirths?!
See this the thing MY OPINION is its strictly soul based.
Its the first and most important part of a person.
Have you noticed the trend of the games?!
heart>memories>body >__>
The scale of most important would be
soul>heart>memories>body
Dont you see?!
Soul is what makes you.
It can be UNBORN or REBORN!
I respect your opinion.
Im jsut stating mine!
 

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I respect your opinion.
Im jsut stating mine!

And I respect that.
Seeing, however, you're not going to convince me that your opinion is right or truly undermines my theory, I fail to see the point of you continuing to post here save to bump your post count.
So I will kindly ask you to stop at this point xD;
 

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I dont care about post count im simply asking you.
When has the form of dreams EVER been significant to Kingdom hearts?
Memories was a part of the first one.
Soras memories or Kairu and riku are what drove him to find Kairis hearta nd go seek riku.
Rikus memories of always being second best to sora is what drove him to darkness.
It may not have been emphasized but it was there >__>
So i can indeed say memories was brought up.
Btw how did they stop the unbirths?
 

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I dont care about post count im simply asking you.
When has the form of dreams EVER been significant to Kingdom hearts?

And I'll say again - when were Memories important before CoM as their own beings?
It wasn't.
Just because Dreams weren't important thus far, doesn't mean they won't be, especially in BBS which follows a different set of rules - hence why there weren't Heartless and Nobodies then, and why there aren't Unbirths today.

Memories was a part of the first one.
Soras memories or Kairu and riku are what drove him to find Kairis hearta nd go seek riku.

No, his friendship with them was. Memories were never truly a concept prior to that, not in the way it was in CoM, not in the way I'm saying Dreams are.

Rikus memories of always being second best to sora is what drove him to darkness.

...Second best? Riku? To Sora? Are we talking about the same game?

It may not have been emphasized but it was there >__>

So were Sora and Riku's dreams of going out on an adventure.

Btw how did they stop the unbirths?

I donno. I didn't play BBS yet.

And to finish with a quote -

A far off Memory that's like a scattered Dream,
A scattered Dream that's like a far off Memory.
If Memories are there, Dreams tag along by definition.
 

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Yes i am do you not remember Riku and sora talking on the beach.
Theyy were talking about
HOW MUCH THEY WNATED TO BE LIKE THE OTHER ONE i meant to but felt in
I like this theory but i think your taking the title my its name to seriously.
 

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Yes i am do you not remember Riku and sora talking on the beach.
Theyy were talking about
HOW MUCH THEY WNATED TO BE LIKE THE OTHER ONE i meant to but felt in

Riku was never jealous of Sora being better than him. Sora himself acknowledged Riku being better, and Riku himself acknowledged being better. What Riku was jealous of was how Sora was a carefree spirit, always doing whatever he wanted, following his Heart.
Riku, however, the instant he did that, brought ruin to the Islands.
Riku was better than Sora.
Sora was just "good" enough to not care, which made Riku feel petty.

I like this theory but i think your taking the title my its name to seriously.

I think you're disregarding it too much.
Chain of Memories - the name was exactly the point of the game.
Coded - they made the Digital World from the journal, thus coding the Journal.
358/2 Days - the amount of time over which the story is lengthed, probably from 2 different points of view thus the "over two" part.

You can't say Birth By Sleep doesn't mean a thing, seeing how all the names for the non-numbered titles don't only have a meaning, but actually dictate the general plot and/or concept of their games.
 

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I know those titles correspond but...
Were they directed related to the title as you imply.
Sleep could be a metaphor.
And no i was told the ds title isnt about time
Its pronounced
3-5-8 over two days >__>
So that one is null

CoM- was a metaphor for soras memories to his friends
Coded- is a metaphor for the fact your digital >__>
 

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I know those titles correspond but...
Were they directed related to the title as you imply.
Sleep could be a metaphor.
And no i was told the ds title isnt about time
Its pronounced
3-5-8 over two days >__>
So that one is null

CoM- was a metaphor for soras memories to his friends
Coded- is a metaphor for the fact your digital >__>

Actually, it's 3-5-8 days over two. meaning the entire amount of days is split over two, not just the number.
And Sleep COULD be a Metaphor, but it could be quite literal, like Chain of Memories was. And face it - it was literal, since Namine messed up Sora's Memories in a somewhat physical way.
Coded - it's not a metaphor, they really digitalized the data.
 

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Interpretations will vary i guess.
Even though i made a theory that said
365-358 is 7 i was told that it wcouldnt be seeing as how 358 isnt a whole number this was stated by Riku keyblade btw >__>
There is no ignoring the fact it may not mean that >__>
 

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Interpretations will vary i guess.
Even though i made a theory that said
365-358 is 7 i was told that it wcouldnt be seeing as how 358 isnt a whole number this was stated by Riku keyblade btw >__>
There is no ignoring the fact it may not mean that >__>

That's the most likely way to understand that name. 365 days in a year minus the 7 days Roxas spent in Twilight Town in KH2 make for the remaining 358 days we'll play through in Days.
But that's off topic. PM me if you wanna go on about it.
 

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Well ill still say its a pretty awesome theory but i have one last question.
I dont know if this was addressed but why do you thinkt he unbirth emblem looks that way.
 

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Well... I won't say that the emblem has to look like "dreams" either. Just look at nobodies and the nobody emblem...
 

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Well... I won't say that the emblem has to look like "dreams" either. Just look at nobodies and the nobody emblem...

To be fair, those were based on the Emblem TAV is wearing, so them not having anything to do with it doesn't mean a thing about the Unbirth's emblem.
But it has little to do with the theory so I'll leave it at that XD'
 

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As I keep debating with you in other threads (we like cross-thread debates, don't we? XD) I don't believe truly everything has to have a direct link to the Heart, as CoM based when dealing with the Memories. It affects the Heart, true, but not directly.
Say the Dream is the Heart's strongest wish, and that wish used a portion of the Soul to leave the body and roam around. After all, a Soul by itself is useless.

Yeah we kinda do don't we? I tend to thiink everying relates back to hearts true, but I wouldn't say the Soul by itself is useless. It's just a concept that hasn't been explored in the games yet.

Although the more I think about it, well, maybe you're on to something. I don't suppose you're at all familiar with The Maxx by any chance? (this is what I get for bringing up Julie and the Jungle Queen >>; )

Anyway the main villian in the series is capable of interfering with a person's unconscience even to the point of being able to force dream creatures to materialize in the real word, though the process twists them and turns them into monsters (the Izs, which curiously enough slightlly resemble the Shadow Hearless).

I could see something similar drving the plot of BBS, though I doubt it would as dark.
 
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