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Yes.
Spoiler ShowShe single handedly brought chaos and despair to the world of KH due to the fact that she saved Xehanort.
Yes.
She single handedly brought chaos and despair to the world of KH due to the fact that she saved Xehanort
For one, her magical powers which come from nowhere but have altered events such as her being the true reason behind Kairi reaching DI, and "suddenly" being empowered in her final fight against Venitas, off the top of my head.
One, the spell Only got her safetly to the islands, we don't know how the spell worked. The X-blade (if you even finsihed the game) who broken when Both Aqua/Ventus destoryd it from the final boss
That is to say - that she is a sue. This is KH we're talking about here. I think the biggest differences are in the amounts of character development and levels of activity (two reasons why to me Xion is not a Mary Sue while Kairi, at least in KH2, is).
Another reason why she fits the DEM term, lol.
Lord forbids it's because, ya know, Ven smashed the X-Blade by breaking his own Heart into pieces and going into limbo. No no, that had nothing to do with that, did it?
DEM mechanism timing wise.
I find that people judge the level of a tragedy based on their love for a character. I personally didn't see the wow in Roxas's summer vacation coming to an end because despite knowing it was sad, I didn't grow attached to him. Similarly, people burst laughing when Xion fades at the end of Days because they can't care for her.
I can't find Aqua's sacrifice to be that tragic because imo, she brought a lot of it on herself. If anything it was her own odd attempt at redemption, saving Terra from the same Darkness she plunged him into. Maybe if she showed some more remorse that isn't conjecture in BBSv2 I'll find her sacrifice to be more tragic, but ya know? Seeing how Roxas, Namine and Xion have much lower chances of making a comeback, I really have a hard time calling Aqua's sacrifice one of the most tragic in the series. She'll get her happy ending.
Xion, Roxas and Namine's happy endings will most likely include disappearing only with no torment left this time. Hurray. Not.
KH tl;dr Sora needs to fix what Aqua helped break.
I think that Aqua is one of the most engaging characters in the series.
From the outset, it was obvious that Terra and Ventus would play pivotal roles because of their obvious connections to Xehanort and Roxas, respectively. And those two were the ones most instrumental in Master Xehanort's plans. And while Terra and Ventus ended up being little more than pawns, Aqua unexpectedly took up the role of the hero at the last second and foiled Xehanort's (immediate) plans.
It's true that she has doubts about Terra and that her overprotectiveness towards her friends sometimes caused more problems than they solved, but up until the very end she had faith in her friends and placed them before herself. And it's because of her belief in them and love for her friends that she was able to destroy the X-blade at all.
And in the end, her sacrifice is truly one of the most tragic events in Kingdom Hearts (probably only second to the entirety of Roxas' life) and it speaks volumes about the trust she places in Terra and how much she values her friends. Really, Aqua is the unsung hero of Kingdom Hearts. She embodies what the series is about just as much as Sora.
Aqua's a deus ex machina? How does she fit that term?
Look, Aqua's no more of a sue than any other KH character (though many of them have sue-like qualities).
She made LOTS of mistakes, including sending terra-xehanort back to the ROL and thus indirectly causing all the chaos in the realm, failing to bring back Terra to her homeworld like Eraqus asked, failing to convince Ven to go back, and getting knocked out by Vanitas & thereby leaving Ven vulnerable.
I really don't think she's perfect or the best character in the KH universe but it was nice to finally have a character, who wasn't a spin off of another character (nobody, heartless, connected by blahblahblah).
Aqua definitely fcuked up but that's part of why I like her. If she was "perfect" I would hate her. :/
I loved her game-play wise, I got really fond of having a magic user and I loved her Barrier.
Also, BBS vol. 2 while not being confirmed, appears to be more than just about Aqua.
Xion's the real sue, Kairi and Aqua aren't. Play Days completely like I did. Aqua did what she thought was right, any of us would do it oif we were in her shoes. We don't need Aqua/BBS bashing
Thank you, Aqua is a good character... Sora is just a glory hog and Xion's a sue
Agree again. Aqua and Kairi aren't perfect, they have flaws like all hunan beings. I like Aqua for her love for her friends and Kairi the latter. If loving your friends to fight/search for them is wrong, then what is right?
Except that Smile isn't bashing Aqua; she's merely presenting the flaws she sees in Aqua as a character. And she DID play Days in its entirety. She's entitled to her opinion. =/
While I agree with you on Aqua and Xion, Sora isn't a glory hog. He does what he does for his friends. That's actually pretty selfless of him.
Huge difference between Aqua and Kairi is that Aqua was written very well, while Kairi was, at best, written mediocre. Script-writing has a huge role to play in these sorts of things. That's the difference between character flaws which make the character more human (Aqua) and just flat out bad writing (Kairi).
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Xion's the real sue, Kairi and Aqua aren't. Play Days completely like I did. Aqua did what she thought was right, any of us would do it oif we were in her shoes. We don't need Aqua/BBS bashing
Er, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't have thrown away all reasons to trust my best friend because some green skinned witch with horns said something about him that she couldn't even prove, despite having just told my other best friend that she's lying. I wouldn't have accused my friend of such terrible deeds and then completely changed my mind once I saw he wasn't going to admit that I was right. I wouldn't have abandoned my friend and left him completely vulnerable with a madman out for him despite having just experienced what said madman was capable of.
Let's face it; Aqua makes a lot of mistakes. That's perfectly fine. All of this unconditional love for Aqua though, is something I don't particularly understand. She fcuked up. Moreso than Terra did imo, and yet, she's the goddess and he's the bumbling idiot (clearly I have too much empathy for Terra right now).
All in all, I'd moreso blame this on BBS' rather faulty character development than Aqua. We can't just assume the characters felt or thought this and that; we need to be shown. If Aqua's having conflicted feelings for Terra regarding his darkness, then we need to see how her trian of thought progresses. That one reason Maleficent gave her should not be enough to send such a strong friendship between her and Terra crumbling down.
Thank you, Aqua is a good character... Sora is just a glory hog and Xion's a sue
For one, her magical powers which come from nowhere but have altered events such as her being the true reason behind Kairi reaching DI, and "suddenly" being empowered in her final fight against Venitas, off the top of my head.
That is to say - that she is a sue. This is KH we're talking about here. I think the biggest differences are in the amounts of character development and levels of activity (two reasons why to me Xion is not a Mary Sue while Kairi, at least in KH2, is).
Another reason why she fits the DEM term, lol.
Lord forbids it's because, ya know, Ven smashed the X-Blade by breaking his own Heart into pieces and going into limbo. No no, that had nothing to do with that, did it?
DEM mechanism timing wise.
I find that people judge the level of a tragedy based on their love for a character. I personally didn't see the wow in Roxas's summer vacation coming to an end because despite knowing it was sad, I didn't grow attached to him. Similarly, people burst laughing when Xion fades at the end of Days because they can't care for her.
I can't find Aqua's sacrifice to be that tragic because imo, she brought a lot of it on herself. If anything it was her own odd attempt at redemption, saving Terra from the same Darkness she plunged him into. Maybe if she showed some more remorse that isn't conjecture in BBSv2 I'll find her sacrifice to be more tragic, but ya know? Seeing how Roxas, Namine and Xion have much lower chances of making a comeback, I really have a hard time calling Aqua's sacrifice one of the most tragic in the series. She'll get her happy ending.
Xion, Roxas and Namine's happy endings will most likely include disappearing only with no torment left this time. Hurray. Not.
KH tl;dr Sora needs to fix what Aqua helped break.
I think that Aqua is one of the most engaging characters in the series.
From the outset, it was obvious that Terra and Ventus would play pivotal roles because of their obvious connections to Xehanort and Roxas, respectively. And those two were the ones most instrumental in Master Xehanort's plans. And while Terra and Ventus ended up being little more than pawns, Aqua unexpectedly took up the role of the hero at the last second and foiled Xehanort's (immediate) plans.
It's true that she has doubts about Terra and that her overprotectiveness towards her friends sometimes caused more problems than they solved, but up until the very end she had faith in her friends and placed them before herself. And it's because of her belief in them and love for her friends that she was able to destroy the X-blade at all.
And in the end, her sacrifice is truly one of the most tragic events in Kingdom Hearts (probably only second to the entirety of Roxas' life) and it speaks volumes about the trust she places in Terra and how much she values her friends. Really, Aqua is the unsung hero of Kingdom Hearts. She embodies what the series is about just as much as Sora.
Aqua's a deus ex machina? How does she fit that term?
Look, Aqua's no more of a sue than any other KH character (though many of them have sue-like qualities).
She made LOTS of mistakes, including sending terra-xehanort back to the ROL and thus indirectly causing all the chaos in the realm, failing to bring back Terra to her homeworld like Eraqus asked, failing to convince Ven to go back, and getting knocked out by Vanitas & thereby leaving Ven vulnerable.
I really don't think she's perfect or the best character in the KH universe but it was nice to finally have a character, who wasn't a spin off of another character (nobody, heartless, connected by blahblahblah).
Aqua definitely fcuked up but that's part of why I like her. If she was "perfect" I would hate her. :/
I loved her game-play wise, I got really fond of having a magic user and I loved her Barrier.
Also, BBS vol. 2 while not being confirmed, appears to be more than just about Aqua.
Indeed. And honestly, I didn't like Riku all that much in KH1 when I was younger. But that changed over time. :3
Except that Smile isn't bashing Aqua; she's merely presenting the flaws she sees in Aqua as a character. And she DID play Days in its entirety. She's entitled to her opinion. =/
While I agree with you on Aqua and Xion, Sora isn't a glory hog. He does what he does for his friends. That's actually pretty selfless of him.
Huge difference between Aqua and Kairi is that Aqua was written very well, while Kairi was, at best, written mediocre. Script-writing has a huge role to play in these sorts of things. That's the difference between character flaws which make the character more human (Aqua) and just flat out bad writing (Kairi).
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Er, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't have thrown away all reasons to trust my best friend because some green skinned witch with horns said something about him that she couldn't even prove, despite having just told my other best friend that she's lying. I wouldn't have accused my friend of such terrible deeds and then completely changed my mind once I saw he wasn't going to admit that I was right. I wouldn't have abandoned my friend and left him completely vulnerable with a madman out for him despite having just experienced what said madman was capable of.
Let's face it; Aqua makes a lot of mistakes. That's perfectly fine. All of this unconditional love for Aqua though, is something I don't particularly understand. She fcuked up. Moreso than Terra did imo, and yet, she's the goddess and he's the bumbling idiot (clearly I have too much empathy for Terra right now).
All in all, I'd moreso blame this on BBS' rather faulty character development than Aqua. We can't just assume the characters felt or thought this and that; we need to be shown. If Aqua's having conflicted feelings for Terra regarding his darkness, then we need to see how her trian of thought progresses. That one reason Maleficent gave her should not be enough to send such a strong friendship between her and Terra crumbling down.
tl;dr - Aqua's scenario having been written last did more harm than good and BBS' character development quite a bit to be desired.
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Er, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't have thrown away all reasons to trust my best friend because some green skinned witch with horns said something about him that she couldn't even prove, despite having just told my other best friend that she's lying. I wouldn't have accused my friend of such terrible deeds and then completely changed my mind once I saw he wasn't going to admit that I was right. I wouldn't have abandoned my friend and left him completely vulnerable with a madman out for him despite having just experienced what said madman was capable of.
Let's face it; Aqua makes a lot of mistakes. That's perfectly fine. All of this unconditional love for Aqua though, is something I don't particularly understand. She fcuked up. Moreso than Terra did imo, and yet, she's the goddess and he's the bumbling idiot (clearly I have too much empathy for Terra right now).
All in all, I'd moreso blame this on BBS' rather faulty character development than Aqua. We can't just assume the characters felt or thought this and that; we need to be shown. If Aqua's having conflicted feelings for Terra regarding his darkness, then we need to see how her trian of thought progresses. That one reason Maleficent gave her should not be enough to send such a strong friendship between her and Terra crumbling down.
tl;dr - Aqua's scenario having been written last did more harm than good and BBS' character development left a lot to be desired.
(Hmmm, I seem to have become significantly less of an Aqua fan than I originally was.)
Oi, just because you hate Sora and Xion but adore Aqua doesn't mean everyone does. Might want to stop going around and stating it like fact before you piss people off.
And seriously Kairi will NEVER be as good as a fighter as Aqua or Xion.
Meh. Really not sure about that. Keep in mind Aqua's been training for several good years, and Xion got the 'cheat sheet' which were Roxas's and Sora's (and Ven's [and Riku's]) Memories. Kairi can become a fighter, but she needs to start practicing and she needs to put her whole into it. Riku and Sora at the start of KH1 has had a lifetime of play-fighting with each other and Tidus, Wakka and Selphie. That's a lot of experience which let them develop their own fighting styles (well, Sora at least, Riku has Vanitas's stance...), let them build their bodies (hello, Riku <3~) and taught them how to fight opponents that both use various fighting styles (Sora, Riku and Tidus with "swords", Selphie with a whip and Wakka with... projectiles? Lol) as well as come at them im a group (TSW combo). Then they had KH1, CoM/R-R and KH2 with Days also exping up Riku to improve further to the kind of warriors that could take Xemnas+broken KH at the end of KH2.
Compared to them, Kairi is light years away. So it's not that it's impossible, just that they'll have to either invest a lot in training her, go a different route (mage utilizing Light is a good option, Minnie can train her in Disney Castle where she'll also be safe) or - Deus Ex Machina her (which I hope they won't do *looks at KH2's balcony jump*)
tl;dr Kairi can be a good fighter, she's just painfully behind... about everyone else in the series. Maybe other than Olette.
What does tl;dr stand for? Am i missing something important?
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And let the record show I played Days not once but three times in full, once on Proud, once on Normal for the Riku-Xion relation theory, and another on easy for site assignments xD.
ReCoded only worth it for those key scenes like the secret ending
I don't know who is suppose to be main character in the story but mostly is Ven, because of his connection to Sora.
I think they will give Kairi a character development in the future game
she may learn how to wield the keyblade and in future she may help Sora.
As for another female character like Xion and Namine. Xion should have been more developed, as she play a role on Sora's memories.
While Namine, she helps Sora a lot as a Nobody...
Actually, Nomura named Aqua as the true protagonist of BBS, which adds up with her still being 'functional' at the end of it. It also ties in with BBSv2.
I actually prefer her as a Keybladeless Wielder. She's a PoH and SoRi's Home representative. I don't mind them explaining how she could use Destiny's Embrace in KH2 or have her be used as X-Blade material, but please, no Keyblade.
Ironically they're both well developed and established. They both came to realize sacrifices must be made and came to cherish other people over their own selves, though Namine seemed to be more self inflicting as opposed to Xion who tried opposing that fate up to the bitter end when she saw she had no choice because she was hurting Roxas.
Yeah. I'm suppose previously the main character should have been Ven but now is Aqua.