different spin on keyblade theory

[mannymuffman]

alright ppl have been debatin about key blades with an w/o keychains

i started thinkin well what if the keychains r jus accesories to the keyblades an the only reason that soras keyblade changes form when he attaches a different keychain is because the ppl that gave them to him did it with love straight from the heart. Meaning that the keychains have a peice of their souls or hearts in them. an only the keychains that r powerful enough have the powere to change the keyblade

does this make sense or am i jus crazy

oh an btw i havent been on here for awhile so sorry in advance if this has been stated before :blush:

 

[Ren]

The keychains are, hypothetically, made out of memories (as opposed to hearts or souls). And yes, they're the reason for why the Keyblade takes on different forms.

 

[dartgoonkeyblade]

alright ppl have been debatin about key blades with an w/o keychains

i started thinkin well what if the keychains r jus accesories to the keyblades an the only reason that soras keyblade changes form when he attaches a different keychain is because the ppl that gave them to him did it with love straight from the heart. Meaning that the keychains have a peice of their souls or hearts in them. an only the keychains that r powerful enough have the powere to change the keyblade

does this make sense or am i jus crazy

oh an btw i havent been on here for awhile so sorry in advance if this has been stated before :blush:

yes i does make sense

i believe that your are right sir but with some exceptions

1. sometime its not love from the heart/because some time you get a keychain from just doing a random odd job
2. also its just made from memories

 

[mannymuffman]

well ya u guys r right i was jus anxious to post it an didnt think it fully thru lol

 

[Smile]

The only issue I have with believing it was made from Memories really is how would one explain the Keychain-less Keyblades then.
It still boils down to the same thing though, something Nomura himself even said BBS would deal with - connections between Hearts. :3 The Keyblade Wielder, either by his Memories or another manner, let himself be affected by what he's been through. Whether it's proof of his Heart's Growth or the actual Memory that brought it about though, we don't know.

 

[Advent Dusk]

The only issue I have with believing it was made from Memories really is how would one explain the Keychain-less Keyblades then.
It still boils down to the same thing though, something Nomura himself even said BBS would deal with - connections between Hearts. :3 The Keyblade Wielder, either by his Memories or another manner, let himself be affected by what he's been through. Whether it's proof of his Heart's Growth or the actual Memory that brought it about though, we don't know.

Keychain-less Keyblades? Have there been any of those?

 

[Smile]

Keychain-less Keyblades? Have there been any of those?

The dark Keyblade Sora used to release his and Kairi's Hearts from his Body, and TAV's Keyblades.

 

[Advent Dusk]

The dark Keyblade Sora used to release his and Kairi's Hearts from his Body, and TAV's Keyblades.

Ah yes. I had forgotten about the dark Keyblade, and I wasn't really certain about TAV's Keyblades.

 

[Byronic Hero]

The dark Keyblade Sora used to release his and Kairi's Hearts from his Body, and TAV's Keyblades.

And possibly Xion's Keyblade. Although I think that pic you showed me showed that it did have one. Im not sure anymore.

 

[Smile]

And possibly Xion's Keyblade. Although I think that pic you showed me showed that it did have one. Im not sure anymore.

Well, the closest thing to a sure thing we know about it is that it's presumed fake due to it being a KK. It being a KK though makes me think it has a Keychain (well, that and the cap) more than it being presumably fake would make me believe it doesn't have a Keychain.
1) It hasn't been established that Keychain-less Keyblades are fake. And even if so, it doesn't mean a Keyblade with a Keychain can't be fake. So a fake Keyblade can have a Keychain.
2) It's a KK replica, and the KK had a Keychain. Thus... :\

 

[Byronic Hero]

Well, the closest thing to a sure thing we know about it is that it's presumed fake due to it being a KK. It being a KK though makes me think it has a Keychain (well, that and the cap) more than it being presumably fake would make me believe it doesn't have a Keychain.
1) It hasn't been established that Keychain-less Keyblades are fake. And even if so, it doesn't mean a Keyblade with a Keychain can't be fake. So a fake Keyblade can have a Keychain.
2) It's a KK replica, and the KK had a Keychain. Thus... :\

Yeah, I mean look at the Keyblade Roxas had in the fake Twilight Town. A Fake KK, it had a keychain though.....hmmmm :/

 

[Smile]

Yeah, I mean look at the Keyblade Roxas had in the fake Twilight Town. A Fake KK, it had a keychain though.....hmmmm :/

That's actually a pretty good point you brought up. Which kind of kills any claim that says it has to be fake if it doesn't have a Keychain - after all, Keychains are not proof of authenticy XD

 

[Byronic Hero]

That's actually a pretty good point you brought up. Which kind of kills any claim that says it has to be fake if it doesn't have a Keychain - after all, Keychains are not proof of authenticy XD

Yep. XD which means that Riku could actually be right about Xion's Keyblade being fake, Keychain or not.

 

[Smile]

Yep. XD which means that Riku could actually be right about Xion's Keyblade being fake, Keychain or not.

I'm not using this to judge his statement. That has enough reasons why it's possible it's right, and why it's possibly wrong. The issue here is that whether a Keyblade has a Keychain or not isn't a criteria on which one can base whether a Keyblade is real or a fake.
And then we get into the entire issue of what a fake even is, but that differs between the possible cases, I guess ~_~;

 

[mannymuffman]

ya i wasnt sayin that those keyblades w/o keychains r fake jus that some ppl put them on their keyblades as a reminder to someone they love or has some type of strong connection to them. an since that connection is so strong that it changes the appearence of the keyblade to that of the memory/heart/soul whatever of the one who gave the keychain to the keyblade holder.

itsa mouthful i know lol

 

[Smile]

ya i wasnt sayin that those keyblades w/o keychains r fake jus that some ppl put them on their keyblades as a reminder to someone they love or has some type of strong connection to them. an since that connection is so strong that it changes the appearence of the keyblade to that of the memory/heart/soul whatever of the one who gave the keychain to the keyblade holder.

I'd advise you to cut the 'love' bit, seeing how the vast majority if not entirety of people Sora has Keychains of are not people he would love. Strong connection is better, imo.
Also, you seem to forget one important fun fact, being that Sora doesn't only have Keychains based on people, and neither does Riku, going by the common interpertation of the Keyblade he let Kairi use.
Keychains can also be based on Worlds (such as Lady Luck for Wonderland that both by design and time of acquiring had nothing to do with Alice, Crabhammer that wasn't Ariel-specific, etc), which would make one believe that it's more an even that left an imprint on Sora, rather than his bond to a certain someone.

 

[Ven's keyblade]

this is a very interesting thread. we don't know much about keyblades or keychains.all we know is that the heartless fear the keyblade and we know sora's keyblade can change according to what type of keychain he has.what if keychains are forged from the memory of the heart.say if everytime he goes to a world he makes a friend(which he does)and everytime he leaves their memories forge the keychain.if you've noticed sora always gets a new keychain after he's made friends with them and helped them.what if VAT never got keychains because their master told them not to make friends with people on worlds because he saw that when MX and DS got their keychains and became masters they got corrupted.i guess that's why he didn't want them to make friends with people their.there's also the possibility that VAT were told to take off their keychains so they don't become like MX and DS.also what if MX wants the princesses of hearts so that he can make the ultimate keychain.one made purely of light.
I've also thought that when Ven says "Erase Me" he says it because he let go of his keychain which was apart of him so he didn't feel whole.

 

[Smile]

As a general tip, it's advised you used more punctuation marks. Paragraphing is also your friend. Will help people read and understand your posts.

this is a very interesting thread. we don't know much about keyblades or keychains.all we know is that the heartless fear the keyblade and we know sora's keyblade can change according to what type of keychain he has.what if keychains are forged from the memory of the heart.say if everytime he goes to a world he makes a friend(which he does)and everytime he leaves their memories forge the keychain.if you've noticed sora always gets a new keychain after he's made friends with them and helped them.

Ultima Weapon muchly? I really doubt Keychains are that person-specific as a general rule.

what if VAT never got keychains because their master told them not to make friends with people on worlds because he saw that when MX and DS got their keychains and became masters they got corrupted.

I think you're mixing two completely different issues here, being what a Keyblade Master even is (let's assume that people with Keychains are Masters) and what Keychains are. The two might not be related at all.
I think TAV were still just apprentices, thus unable to create Keychains.

i guess that's why he didn't want them to make friends with people their.

Which is why Ven ends up befriending Cinderella and her mice to make her a dress? :\

there's also the possibility that VAT were told to take off their keychains so they don't become like MX and DS.

Mickey had his Keychain just fine.

also what if MX wants the princesses of hearts so that he can make the ultimate keychain.one made purely of light.

The last time the PoHs' Hearts were used to form a Keyblade,
1) It didn't have a Keychain
2) It was Darkness affiliated.

I've also thought that when Ven says "Erase Me" he says it because he let go of his keychain which was apart of him so he didn't feel whole.

You're giving Keychains far too much credit here. Also, you're assuming Ven had a Keychain to begin with, which thus far doesn't seem to be the case, actually.

 

[Ven's keyblade]

I justwent to gamespot.com and saw something interesting.type in kingdom hearts and go to birth by sleep. go to the pictures you'll see one with Ven holding his keyblade protecting the mouse(i forgot his name) at the end of the keyblade handle you see what looks like the remnants of a keychain.

 

[Smile]

I justwent to gamespot.com and saw something interesting.type in kingdom hearts and go to birth by sleep. go to the pictures you'll see one with Ven holding his keyblade protecting the mouse(i forgot his name) at the end of the keyblade handle you see what looks like the remnants of a keychain.

It's been debated before. Ven and Terra's Keyblades both have places where it appears a Keychain is attachable. I think I know where Aqua has such a spot on her Keyblade, too. Fact remains, however, they don't have Keychains attached.