Did Kingdom Hearts III Retconned the Titans in Olympus



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Okay I admit, I should've made this post prior to KH3's release, but I want to make this in regards to the Titans and whether KH3 retconned their appearances from the first KH game and Kingdom Hearts II?

Because although in the opening cutscene, the narrator said "some of them the same monstrosities Sora and his friends had already fought and bested before" since Sora, Donald and Goofy fought them in the Coliseum (mainly the Rock Titan, while Sora faced the Ice Titan) in the first KH game, here it like this is the first time they've seen a Titan. Even the same can be said for Hercules since he fought the Rock Titan in the opening to Olympus Coliseum in KH2, but in here he doesn't recognize them.

Plus the KH3 Journal entries for the Rock and Ice Titan the entries NEVER mentioned about Sora previously fighting them in the Coliseum in the first KH game nor about their revival as shown here

Rock Titan KH1 Journal Entry:
Immortal giant in the form of a stone crag. He has two heads, but can only think with one at a time. Defeated once by Hercules, he's now on the loose again, courtesy of Hades.
Rock Titan KH3 Journal Entry:
A gargantuan being made of solid stone.
Ice Titan KH1 Journal Entry:
Defeated once by Hercules, he received new powers from Hades and resurfaced. His body is made of large blocks of seemingly impregnable ice. But the ice shaping his face is quite fragile. Naturally, he is weak against fire.
Ice Titan KH3 Journal Entry:
A gargantuan being made of frigid ice.
On top of that, Hades said he put plan 18 years ago for the planet's to align to release the Titans and rule over the cosmos was just like what happened in the original movie when the Fates told him his future. as shown here:

"I put 18 YEARS into that plan and you blippin ruined it!"
I've seen a lot of arguments and debating from fans saying that Olympus/Olympus Coliseum is set after the events of the original movie (e.g. Hercules now considered a Hero, Hades reviving the Titans, etc.) and others say the world is adapting the events of the movie but much differently? True the world does acknowledge key events from SDG's previous visits to the world such as in KH2 that they were still "junior heroes" and have all the trophies from the Coliseum matches from the first game and here Sora asked Herc how he got his strength back when rescuing Meg back in KH2. Also, Hercules was still a teenager in BBS. So I'm perplexed with what's happening here.
 
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I don't think they did. This happens a lot in Kingdom Hearts when Sora and the gang fight repeat bosses. Especially the ones that cannot talk. Sora fought Cerberus in KH2 and makes no mention of ever having fought the beast in the first game, but it is in the journal entry that he did. Sometimes they do acknowledge it like Oogie Boogie where he wants revenge or Jafar in Agrabah. But the worst one I can think of is Ursula, where despite the journal having said Sora and friends defeated her before, she acts as if it never happened as does Ariel in KH2.

Sora's reactions to the Titans in KH3 is fine as they are still a big threat and storyline wise Sora is weaker then before so there is no guarantee he can beat them, let alone all together. And he's never seen Lava and Tornado before. It's also not like he knew Rock and Ice Titan inside and out as it was so long ago he probably forgot how they fight. But really it's typical Kingdom Hearts Disney stuff.
 

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if i recall. Aqua faced of against the Ice Titan in BbS. but Hades mentioned it was weaker copy of the original. perhaps the titans we've been facing up till KH3 were just copies as the original titans were still sealed away in their vault.
 

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If I recall. Aqua faced of against the Ice Titan in BbS, but Hades mentioned it was weaker copy of the original. Perhaps the titans we've been facing up till KH3 were just copies as the original titans were still sealed away in their vault.
Right, but the one in BBS was explicitly said not be the genuine article, and was called the "Ice Collosus" as it's official name. Gameplay wise, it also wasn't very formidable.

By comparison the one fought in KH1 was a super boss, and actually called the "Ice Titan" officially. It was slightly larger in stature than the Collosus as well. Same with the Rock Titan. I think the implication is that only recently has Hades actually gained access to all, or at least enough of the Titan's to stage his final plan against Zeus and Hercules.
 
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if i recall. Aqua faced of against the Ice Titan in BbS. but Hades mentioned it was weaker copy of the original. perhaps the titans we've been facing up till KH3 were just copies as the original titans were still sealed away in their vault.
It was the Ice Colossus that Aqua fought in BBS, and a fake version of the actual Ice Titan, even Hades confirmed that the Ice Colossus was inferior to the actual Ice Titan and needed a real titan.


Right, but the one in BBS was explicitly said not be the genuine article, and was called the "Ice Collosus" as it's official name. Gameplay wise, it also wasn't very formidable.

By comparison the one fought in KH1 was a super boss, and actually called the "Ice Titan" officially. It was slightly larger in stature than the Collosus as well. Same with the Rock Titan. I think the implication is that only recently has Hades actually gained access to all, or at least enough of the Titan's to stage his final plan against Odin and Hercules.
You Mean Zeus?

I don't think they did. This happens a lot in Kingdom Hearts when Sora and the gang fight repeat bosses. Especially the ones that cannot talk. Sora fought Cerberus in KH2 and makes no mention of ever having fought the beast in the first game, but it is in the journal entry that he did. Sometimes they do acknowledge it like Oogie Boogie where he wants revenge or Jafar in Agrabah. But the worst one I can think of is Ursula, where despite the journal having said Sora and friends defeated her before, she acts as if it never happened as does Ariel in KH2.

Sora's reactions to the Titans in KH3 is fine as they are still a big threat and storyline wise Sora is weaker then before so there is no guarantee he can beat them, let alone all together. And he's never seen Lava and Tornado before. It's also not like he knew Rock and Ice Titan inside and out as it was so long ago he probably forgot how they fight. But really it's typical Kingdom Hearts Disney stuff.
Yeah Atlantica In KH2 had the BIGGEST Retcon/continuity errors compared to the other Disney worlds (aside from Olympus), cause as you said it yourself SDG neither Ariel never remember defeating Ursula.

Even continuity errors and retcons had happened before in other games such as in Kingdom Hearts II, where Goofy said that King Mickey (who they refer to as "their Majesty") was the one who banished Peter but in actuality, in BBS it was Minnie who was the one who banished Pete to the other dimension.
 
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