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I don;t hate her..but she's not the best maybe even bottom of the list on KH character's...From what I heard about her I expected way more from her before the end but I felt lil in that area...But maybe that was a personal thing..expectations to high and such...But anyway..Her VA sucked so hard....But I agree that in time she will become better..(God I hope). Now she seemed very bland...but that's just me..Like no emotion..but hey whatever...
As for the game...I suck playing as her so I didn't want to play as her to much.. But hey...whatever...
She can be better. Hate? No.. Think there should be more in her? Deffinetly
 

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Sorry this is just my opinion but neither Xion nor Kairi (not defending Kairi just Xion) were perfect in anyway,

LOL. I stopped taking you seriously after I read the bolded part.

for the 1st couple of weeks Xion was completly devoid of emotion,

Only because she lacked the necessary requirements to HAVE a personality. This is a situational flaw, not a character flaw.

she for a shot time couldnt even wield the keyblade,

Another situational flaw.

she had to struggle with the decision to return to Sora, or continue living as herself,

No, she didn't. xD She stayed living as herself because she thought it was what was best for her friends. Thus why she told Riku that she wanted to stay because her friends needed her. It was for THEIR sake, not her own, which makes the act completely selfless.

hell she even turned on Roxas in the end,

She PRETENDED to. So that Roxas would destroy her, thus no longer being a threat to his existence, and giving back Sora's memories so that everybody can have better lives. She "turned" on him for the sole purpose of helping everyone involved. It was a selfless sacrifice.

so Xion in my opinon had more thought put into her character than Aqua,

No, she had more perfect qualities put into her character than Aqua. At least Aqua had FLAWS, like, you know, HUMANS have. She was certainly more realistic.

& you sir insult me & my fellow club members by comparing the 2!

And you insult myself and my fellow Aqua fans by saying that XION was more well-thought out than Aqua.

ok this might hurt the validity of my argument but i didnt finish days, in my defence my DS broke & I let a chick who i was about to start dating, borrow it & she pawned it, but i did get half way through the game,

Okay, stop right here. You didn't even FINISH the game, so you never got to see Xion's ENTIRE character, only bits and pieces, and you STILL say she had more thought put into her than Aqua? Dude, finish the game before you make judgments like that! Because, otherwise, you have NO idea what the fcuk you're talking about, and probably shouldn't even take part in these kind of discussions, because you lack necessary information to do so effectively.

especially with Rikku bugging the hell out out her to quit her existance & return to Sora,

He didn't really do that, though. He let Xion do whatever the hell she wanted, even though doing so meant delaying Sora's awakening and possibly preventing it from happening at all.

& when she tries to do some soul searching & leave the orginization, one of her best friends, Axel is tasled with bassically kicking her ass & dragging her back,

He didn't HAVE to kick her ass. He only did so because she wouldn't go willingly. And even then, he showed before the battle that he only did so because he cared and wanted her back. Oh, how horrible it must be to have someone care for you that much, that he would do anything he could to bring her back home.

this alot to deal with considering at this point shes only been around for 6 months & is just learning to become a functing member of society (if you can call orginizations life society)

More than 6 months. She had been around the Organization for about a week after Roxas joins and about a month before Axel left for Castle Oblivion. About a week or so later, she becomes friends with Roxas. She isn't destroyed until almost a YEAR (give or take a few mere DAYS) later. She learned how to function as a member of society quite a while ago.

so yeah Xion had a whole lot of crap to deal with where as Aqua has no real conflicts other than take down the unverse & keep Terra out of darkness

Like hell, she didn't. Let's see, Aqua is saddled with the task of keeping Terra from the darkness and bringing Ven (a Terra fanboy, mind you) back home. It doesn't take too long for the two guys to find out what Aqua's missions were, and upon it coming to light, their friendships strain. This is a big deal considering Aqua and Terra have been friends for God only knows how long, while she met Ven during a time when he was mentally unstable due to his lack of memories. What his memories contain is what causes him such trouble later, something that could have been avoided altogether had Aqua brought Ven home right away (even though she really couldn't, since Ven wasn't willing). I'm sure this knowledge would bring her guilt.
Meanwhile, we see her doing her best to believe in Terra, but as she visits the worlds he's been to, and sees the aftermath of some of his actions, her belief becomes more of a "kidding herself" thing, where she WANTS to believe in him, but it's hard to do so when she had so much evidence that proves otherwise.
Then we get to the end where Ven and Terra go off to do their own separate battles, leaving Aqua as the only one being left behind to deal with whatever results are left behind. So, while she fought Braig in Terra's honor and to keep Ven safe, Ven ends up fighting Vanitas twice, with the second battle resulting in him and Vanitas merging, whom Aqua must fight if she wants to prevent destruction because of the Chi-blade, even though this also means she has to fight and defeat her best friend, as task I can't imagine her being too thrilled with. Not to mention that defeating Ven is what made him go unconscious.
After that, she has to fight her OTHER best friend, who has also merged with the bad guy, tries desperately to get through to him and fails, defeats him twice and nearly sends him to drift permanently in the darkness. At that point, she JUMPS INTO THE DARKNESS and damns herself to wander the Realm of Darkness just so she can save Terra, even though Ven still awaits them in a secret room a Castle Oblivion.


No conflict, my ass.
 

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LOL. I stopped taking you seriously after I read the bolded part.

Only because she lacked the necessary requirements to HAVE a personality. This is a situational flaw, not a character flaw.

Another situational flaw.

No, she didn't. xD She stayed living as herself because she thought it was what was best for her friends. Thus why she told Riku that she wanted to stay because her friends needed her. It was for THEIR sake, not her own, which makes the act completely selfless.

She PRETENDED to. So that Roxas would destroy her, thus no longer being a threat to his existence, and giving back Sora's memories so that everybody can have better lives. She "turned" on him for the sole purpose of helping everyone involved. It was a selfless sacrifice.

No, she had more perfect qualities put into her character than Aqua. At least Aqua had FLAWS, like, you know, HUMANS have. She was certainly more realistic.

And you insult myself and my fellow Aqua fans by saying that XION was more well-thought out than Aqua.

Okay, stop right here. You didn't even FINISH the game, so you never got to see Xion's ENTIRE character, only bits and pieces, and you STILL say she had more thought put into her than Aqua? Dude, finish the game before you make judgments like that! Because, otherwise, you have NO idea what the fcuk you're talking about, and probably shouldn't even take part in these kind of discussions, because you lack necessary information to do so effectively.

He didn't really do that, though. He let Xion do whatever the hell she wanted, even though doing so meant delaying Sora's awakening and possibly preventing it from happening at all.

He didn't HAVE to kick her ass. He only did so because she wouldn't go willingly. And even then, he showed before the battle that he only did so because he cared and wanted her back. Oh, how horrible it must be to have someone care for you that much, that he would do anything he could to bring her back home.

More than 6 months. She had been around the Organization for about a week after Roxas joins and about a month before Axel left for Castle Oblivion. About a week or so later, she becomes friends with Roxas. She isn't destroyed until almost a YEAR (give or take a few mere DAYS) later. She learned how to function as a member of society quite a while ago.

Like hell, she didn't. Let's see, Aqua is saddled with the task of keeping Terra from the darkness and bringing Ven (a Terra fanboy, mind you) back home. It doesn't take too long for the two guys to find out what Aqua's missions were, and upon it coming to light, their friendships strain. This is a big deal considering Aqua and Terra have been friends for God only knows how long, while she met Ven during a time when he was mentally unstable due to his lack of memories. What his memories contain is what causes him such trouble later, something that could have been avoided altogether had Aqua brought Ven home right away (even though she really couldn't, since Ven wasn't willing). I'm sure this knowledge would bring her guilt.
Meanwhile, we see her doing her best to believe in Terra, but as she visits the worlds he's been to, and sees the aftermath of some of his actions, her belief becomes more of a "kidding herself" thing, where she WANTS to believe in him, but it's hard to do so when she had so much evidence that proves otherwise.
Then we get to the end where Ven and Terra go off to do their own separate battles, leaving Aqua as the only one being left behind to deal with whatever results are left behind. So, while she fought Braig in Terra's honor and to keep Ven safe, Ven ends up fighting Vanitas twice, with the second battle resulting in him and Vanitas merging, whom Aqua must fight if she wants to prevent destruction because of the Chi-blade, even though this also means she has to fight and defeat her best friend, as task I can't imagine her being too thrilled with. Not to mention that defeating Ven is what made him go unconscious.
After that, she has to fight her OTHER best friend, who has also merged with the bad guy, tries desperately to get through to him and fails, defeats him twice and nearly sends him to drift permanently in the darkness. At that point, she JUMPS INTO THE DARKNESS and damns herself to wander the Realm of Darkness just so she can save Terra, even though Ven still awaits them in a secret room a Castle Oblivion.


No conflict, my ass.

^THIS. Reika, THANK YOU. <3 *glomps*

lil'Von, if you REALLY think Xion is better than Aqua, try and actually back it up with solid support. =/
 

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It's his opinion. You can't proove an opinion like that :/ I am trying my best to stay out of this argument lol
 

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It's his opinion. You can't proove an opinion like that :/ I am trying my best to stay out of this argument lol

I don't have a problem with his opinion. What I have a problem with is him not backing his opinion up (especially since he didn't even finish the damn game), and using false claims as an argument (Aqua not having conflict, information on Xion not being completely factual, etc).
If he had just said, "I think Xion was more well thought out than Aqua", and nothing more, I wouldn't have even said anything.
 

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The point that killed it for me was when she fought Hades & the ice titan. Zack was gonna jump in & help her out (at which i was like"hell yeah this is gonna be awsome") but she does the prim & proper thing & instead of letting Zack jelp she tells him to get the fcuk back (im obviously paraphrasing here) Then she wouldn t even go out with him!
More Aqua hate: dont get me started on the way she treats Ventus, he acts like he's an annoying kid brother who cant take care of himself, she dosnt realize that he's more than capable of doing so.

Well, I think I have a much better idea of what your problem with Aqua is now. =P

So, first things first.

Aqua does not owe Zack anything. She doesn't owe him a date, she doesn't owe him a fight with Hades, she didn't even need to stick around for the finals (but did anyway because she didn't want to disappoint him).

Now, I'll admit that it wasn't exactly nice for her to tell Zack to stay back, when Zack has just as much of a reason to fight Hades as she does. But it's got nothing to do with being prim and proper, or following the rules even after Hades has already shown he couldn't care less about rules. Aqua's just plain ticked and wants to take Hades down a notch or two on her own terms. XD

...though I suspect you wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem with that scene if Terra had done the same thing. =P (And you can't tell me he wouldn't)

And, second - Ven.

Aqua treats Ven essentially the same way as Terra does, with the only difference being that she'd take him home instead of just telling him to go home.

They're both worried about him, and are afraid he'll get hurt, because he's younger than they are, quite obviously hasn't been training for nearly as long, has never been to another world before, and is being targeted by Vanitas.

And Aqua does learn to accept that Ven can take care of himself as the game goes on, I think... because by Neverland Ven's shown that he's actually grown up a fair amount. =P


AND BEFORE THE FINAL BATTLES AQUA CLEARLY STATES THAT TERRA WILL FALL TO DARKNESS!!!!! Or did i just imagine that? I have a feeling you didnt pay attention to that cutscene!

That's not what she's saying at all. You're the one who's not paying attention. -_- She's warning him that fighting Master Xehanort is a very, very bad idea, because that's exactly what Master Xehanort wants. And she's right.
 

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And Aqua does learn to accept that Ven can take care of himself as the game goes on, I think... because by Neverland Ven's shown that he's actually grown up a fair amount. =P

Actually, I think both Aqua and Terra still treat him a bit like a child. In the Keyblade Graveyard, the way they reassure him is much like a parent would their child, with caring caresses and kind words like, "It'll all be okay". But this is something that BOTH Terra and Aqua do. It's not just an Aqua thing.

That's not what she's saying at all. You're the one who's not paying attention. -_- She's warning him that fighting Master Xehanort is a very, very bad idea, because that's exactly what Master Xehanort wants. And she's right.

Pretty much. xD That, and warning him that fighting MX out of anger and hatred is just the kind of thing that feeds the darkness and would lead Terra to the darkness again. If he lets those emotions take over and fights MX, he'll only be led back into the darkness again. And it did.
 

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I love Aqua as a character. Her personality, expressiveness, hospitality and all that jazz are what makes her a great person, which is what will probably get Nomura to give her a 2nd coming in future games [speculation]

Xion is just a "filler" character for the sake of a one and only plot. She will never return in the KH series. She's like that little girl who sees other kids playing ball. Then when the ball comes to her everyone just leaves.

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Actually, I think both Aqua and Terra still treat him a bit like a child. In the Keyblade Graveyard, the way they reassure him is much like a parent would their child, with caring caresses and kind words like, "It'll all be okay". But this is something that BOTH Terra and Aqua do. It's not just an Aqua thing.

Well, I think the Keyblade Graveyard kind of caused a snap-back in their treatment of Ven because... well, at that point, Ven really is a hurting kid. D= Their treatment is completely appropriate considering what Ven had just gone through, and his clear distress at knowing he might need them to kill him.

Aqua definitely learned a lesson about needing to give Ven space in Neverland, though - her recognition of Peter Pan's leadership method (of making the Lost Boys do things that seemed dangerous) as good and her final scene with the wooden Keyblade show that pretty clearly.
 

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lets see how fast i get flammed by the Aqua fanboys lol:

Anyway from watching the Jap BBS trailers i fell in love with Aqua (and her Jap VA)I thought that she was a beautiful person, untill i actual played the game & realized how flat her personality is. She stops believing in Terra after hering Malifecient bad mouth him. & her English VA did such a horrible job, she hardly gave Aqua any emotion throughout the whole game (notable exceptions are the scene wher Zack asks her out, & the end of the game) Also unlike the others Aqua never really grows as a person. The only seriouse conflict with her was believing in Terra, thats it. So did Aqua break anybody elses heart, or am i the only one crying over hear?

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Eh. I don't hate her, but she has caused some Terra hate, and he happens to be my favorite character besides Riku, but I guess I dislike her a little bit. Anyway I don't think her english VA ruined it, seeing as I didn't watch the entire japanese version on youtube.
 

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Eh. I don't hate her, but she has caused some Terra hate, and he happens to be my favorite character besides Riku, but I guess I dislike her a little bit. Anyway I don't think her english VA ruined it, seeing as I didn't watch the entire japanese version on youtube.

the jap version did have better acting but by radiant garden her english voice didnt bother me no more.
 

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Well, I think the Keyblade Graveyard kind of caused a snap-back in their treatment of Ven because... well, at that point, Ven really is a hurting kid. D= Their treatment is completely appropriate considering what Ven had just gone through, and his clear distress at knowing he might need them to kill him.

Aqua definitely learned a lesson about needing to give Ven space in Neverland, though - her recognition of Peter Pan's leadership method (of making the Lost Boys do things that seemed dangerous) as good and her final scene with the wooden Keyblade show that pretty clearly.

True. I guess there wasn't much else to do but console him that way. They seemed to understand his growing maturity when Ven asked to be destroyed, almost as if they knew it was coming and thought treating him like a kid again could help them avoiding the situation.

I forgot about her reaction to Ven's actions in Neverland. You have a point, she did seem to realize that Ven had grown and wasn't the child both her and Terra treated him as.
 

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*chuckles at the total flip-out*

Your argument is incredibly flawed, first off. Aqua never gave up on Terra and even threw herself into the RoD in hope that Terra would be saved (though she unknowingly set the chain of events that would lead into KH1) You assume Aqua didn't trust Terra at all, when in fact she DID trust him. Total trust? Not necessarily, but trust and hope that Terra would do the right thing was indeed present.

Aqua started off as a total teacher's pet. She was spying on Terra and trying to get Ven to go home, just because Master Eraqus told her to. That said, doing so put strains on her friendships with Terra and Ven, as shown by their brief reunion at Radiant Garden. Plus, while at Radiant Garden, she comes across a mysterious masked boy (Vanitas) that seems to be incredibly interested in Ven for some reason. The need to bring Ven home becomes a bit more personal and now she needs to make sure she gets rid of (or at least subdue) this mysterious masked boy. And soon enough, she finds out that Master Eraqus is dead and Terra had a hand in it! And yet, despite that she still tries to aid Terra and be the voice of reason to him, instead of dragging him and Ventus all the way back to Mysterious Tower to talk to Yen Sid (which in hindsight would've been the smarter thing to do). Friendship won out in the end, even if it brought about tragic results.

The thing about Aqua's scenario is that she developed from a teacher's pet into a woman truly deserving of the title "Keyblade Master", not because of sheer skill, but because of the amount of care she had for her friends.

Xion on the other hand? She cried and donkey-moaned through out Days, with a perfect personality and her "struggles" were only events that occurred. There wasn't any development from Xion at all.

Sorry bro, but that's game, set and match. =/



good job Virgiltheart you have finally convinced me of Aqua's worth, she still isnt one of my favorite characters, but thanks to your argument i see her in a different light. & i feel as if i understand the charcter better. But im still willing to argue over Xion, but maybe another time for I am tired & have homeworkbut make no mistake i will come at reika tommorrow HARD!

To those who took me seriously about the Zack date scene calm the fuck down! I was just kidding trying to keep the mood light, if not i might have actually gotten mad myself, it was something akin to comic relief.
 
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yeah aqua is a good character, but they really pushed her english version to a different personality and with below average voice acting, it was really hard for me to connect with her the same way i did in the japanese version. still unfortunately, she's the only one who was out of the loop, the only one who didn't have a different motive other than finding terra and getting ventus back, and the only one who wasn't directly involved with the villains.

but i think near the end of her scenario and Last episode really made up for it.
 

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still unfortunately, she's the only one who was out of the loop, the only one who didn't have a different motive other than finding terra and getting ventus back, and the only one who wasn't directly involved with the villains.

but i think near the end of her scenario and Last episode really made up for it.

I think the weird thing about Aqua is that the fact that she doesn't play any part in the villains' plans is what makes her so effective.

Ven is trapped by Master Xehanort's plan to turn him into the χ-blade, and is never really able to subvert that.

Terra is trapped by Master Xehanort's plan to use the darkness inside of him to turn his body into a vessel for Xehanort's heart, and he's never really able to subvert that either.

Aqua's the only one who's able to throw Master Xehanort's calculations off, because she doesn't really figure into them. His only use for her is to stuff her in the fridge to draw Terra and Ven even closer to their fates... except that Aqua's not having any of that, survives all attempts on her life, and then proceeds to use her wildcard status to mess up everything he worked for.

...but, for that to work, it means she can't be given a consistently-antagonistic figure of her own, which makes her seem less relevant early on. =/
 
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