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I'll start by saying not to worry about spoiling as I've played all the games.
So I've been replaying KH lately and just finished replaying DDD. This time being my 3rd run of this particular game now, and I still wasn't able to grasp a lot of the details. Thankfully though, some threads that were already here were able to point out events and how the game illustrated them. That helped me to fill in some gaps in my understanding, like that whole inception sequence in The World That Never Was. There are still things surrounding this topic that I could not figure out though, so here we go.
The idea at the start game is that Sora and Riku entered the sleeping realm by time traveling to Destiny Islands just before they would begin to sleep after falling to darkness. Whole thing about a world going to the realm of darkness, realm of slumber, and also having existing fragments in "The end of the world" in KH has me confused too, but moving on.
A scene in TWTNW shows Braig telling Sora something like: "You were able to go back in time because a version of yourself already existed there."
Pretty heavily implying that Sora and Riku time traveled the way Xehenort has been, which would mean they left their bodies behind in their time and are just hearts right?
This is where I can't seem to find a good answer.
The way I see it there are two possibilities: for the majority of the game they were actually just hearts, or they hijacked the bodies of their past selves and were using those.
So if they're just hearts them seemingly having bodies could be a result of the sleeping realm. Considering the events of Traverse Town it's not too much of a stretch.
Riku appearing in physical form in the real version of TWTNW toward the end could also be explained by him still being a dream eater. Since spirits(correct me if wrong) seem to be able to materialize in KHUx in the....I don't know, not sleeping realm. As well as what seems to be Sora and Riku's first spirits appearing to lead Riku to Sora.
HOWEVER, what I don't think can make sense about this is how, outside the sleeping realm in the organization throne room, Sora appeared to have a body.
Also doesn't make sense when he's first entering TWTNW, since he's supposedly in the real world. Though then again maybe not, as the part where Braig is telling him: "how come you're wearing the same clothes if you're already back home" might also mean he isn't even in the real world yet at that point. In that case I don't understand that part entirely either, but back on topic.
So what about if they snatched up their past bodies?
This one does not go over nearly as well. They would have been using those bodies all the way up until after the final throne room scene. That would mean that Sora would have never went to Traverse Town in KH and both of their bodies would've ended up in the present by the end.
Since Donald, Goofy, and Axel all showed up in the throne room, that's real likely to be present day, though technically not guaranteed I guess.
So if they were using their past bodies most of KH as a whole wouldn't have happened the same way. Unless after they go back into their present bodies their old ones just warp back to a nice spot in the past, and not in the middle of the ocean where they were before they entered the sleeping realm, but I don't believe anyone said a thing about all that.
In fact, no one mentioned a thing about them using or not using bodies, or why they're in their younger forms again, and trying to figure it out from what I saw got me here.
EDIT: Forgot to include something.
The Xehenorts in the throne room scene. I'm not sure what to think of the hooded ones considering brown coat heart Ansem.
But Ansem, Young Xehenort, Master Xehenort, Saix, and Xemnas from what I remember very much seemed to have bodies as well. I can't remember if they had already gotten the replicas at the point but, after they "run out of time"(big ??? btw) they ALL vanish in the exact same way, none of them teleport out with dark corridors or anything. So were none of them in bodies?
Saix at the very least wouldn't have needed to time travel to be there.
So at the time of that scene it feels like you're supposed to know that some had time traveled and may or may not have been just hearts, some had not, and that they had "run out of time" and were leaving, but they all leave the same way.
Ideally what I'm looking for here is some kind of explanation that is supported by things that happened in a game somewhere in the KH series. Or I guess an interview or something from an orchestra? Since apparently they put lore in their orchestra(s) somewhere, I don't know much about those. I won't mind theories though.
Anyway please let me know if you can shed some light on this situation, or if this thread is basically just me discovering that it don't make sense.
So I've been replaying KH lately and just finished replaying DDD. This time being my 3rd run of this particular game now, and I still wasn't able to grasp a lot of the details. Thankfully though, some threads that were already here were able to point out events and how the game illustrated them. That helped me to fill in some gaps in my understanding, like that whole inception sequence in The World That Never Was. There are still things surrounding this topic that I could not figure out though, so here we go.
The idea at the start game is that Sora and Riku entered the sleeping realm by time traveling to Destiny Islands just before they would begin to sleep after falling to darkness. Whole thing about a world going to the realm of darkness, realm of slumber, and also having existing fragments in "The end of the world" in KH has me confused too, but moving on.
A scene in TWTNW shows Braig telling Sora something like: "You were able to go back in time because a version of yourself already existed there."
Pretty heavily implying that Sora and Riku time traveled the way Xehenort has been, which would mean they left their bodies behind in their time and are just hearts right?
This is where I can't seem to find a good answer.
The way I see it there are two possibilities: for the majority of the game they were actually just hearts, or they hijacked the bodies of their past selves and were using those.
So if they're just hearts them seemingly having bodies could be a result of the sleeping realm. Considering the events of Traverse Town it's not too much of a stretch.
Riku appearing in physical form in the real version of TWTNW toward the end could also be explained by him still being a dream eater. Since spirits(correct me if wrong) seem to be able to materialize in KHUx in the....I don't know, not sleeping realm. As well as what seems to be Sora and Riku's first spirits appearing to lead Riku to Sora.
HOWEVER, what I don't think can make sense about this is how, outside the sleeping realm in the organization throne room, Sora appeared to have a body.
Also doesn't make sense when he's first entering TWTNW, since he's supposedly in the real world. Though then again maybe not, as the part where Braig is telling him: "how come you're wearing the same clothes if you're already back home" might also mean he isn't even in the real world yet at that point. In that case I don't understand that part entirely either, but back on topic.
So what about if they snatched up their past bodies?
This one does not go over nearly as well. They would have been using those bodies all the way up until after the final throne room scene. That would mean that Sora would have never went to Traverse Town in KH and both of their bodies would've ended up in the present by the end.
Since Donald, Goofy, and Axel all showed up in the throne room, that's real likely to be present day, though technically not guaranteed I guess.
So if they were using their past bodies most of KH as a whole wouldn't have happened the same way. Unless after they go back into their present bodies their old ones just warp back to a nice spot in the past, and not in the middle of the ocean where they were before they entered the sleeping realm, but I don't believe anyone said a thing about all that.
In fact, no one mentioned a thing about them using or not using bodies, or why they're in their younger forms again, and trying to figure it out from what I saw got me here.
EDIT: Forgot to include something.
The Xehenorts in the throne room scene. I'm not sure what to think of the hooded ones considering brown coat heart Ansem.
But Ansem, Young Xehenort, Master Xehenort, Saix, and Xemnas from what I remember very much seemed to have bodies as well. I can't remember if they had already gotten the replicas at the point but, after they "run out of time"(big ??? btw) they ALL vanish in the exact same way, none of them teleport out with dark corridors or anything. So were none of them in bodies?
Saix at the very least wouldn't have needed to time travel to be there.
So at the time of that scene it feels like you're supposed to know that some had time traveled and may or may not have been just hearts, some had not, and that they had "run out of time" and were leaving, but they all leave the same way.
Ideally what I'm looking for here is some kind of explanation that is supported by things that happened in a game somewhere in the KH series. Or I guess an interview or something from an orchestra? Since apparently they put lore in their orchestra(s) somewhere, I don't know much about those. I won't mind theories though.
Anyway please let me know if you can shed some light on this situation, or if this thread is basically just me discovering that it don't make sense.
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