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Dyed Red

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Okay, so when Ven's heart was broken, due to the creation of Vanitas, his heart connected to Sora, it was mended, and it returned. Now, Ven lost his heart, his body is in the Room of Wake, his heart, again, connected with Sora, and is now resting there within him. What I can't quite understand is why Ven's heart hasn't been able to return to his body?
 

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When Vanitas was created, Ven was stripped from his darkness, which was a relatively minor injury, so after a while Sora 'repaired' his heart (which still took a lot of time considering how he wasn't able to talk at first) but then when he defeated Vanitas and the X-blad, his whole heart was shattered (read: heavily injured) and therefor it takes a lot more time to heal.
 

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So in that case, why is locating Ven's body even a big deal, after they locate his heart, couldn't they just wait until it's ready to go on it's own? Like, they can't force it...can they?
 

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So in that case, why is locating Ven's body even a big deal, after they locate his heart, couldn't they just wait until it's ready to go on it's own? Like, they can't force it...can they?

We don't know, maybe it won't get restored by itself because it\s damaged too heavily. Guess we'll find out in 3d how it works
 

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Maybe that's what 3D is about o.o After the Mark of Mastery, Yen Sid will reveal to Sora how to heal Ven xD
 

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Well it has been known for a while that the MoM is only a small part of the game and the rest is about exploring the hidden data inside sora
 

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So it sounds to me like Ven might be awoken by the end of it...or at least close to being awoken.
 

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Ugh, now I'm gonna be off topic, but if he's awoken, would retrieving Aqua to save him still be necessary? She's the only one who know the way into the Room of Waking, but is the same vice versa? Or can Ven just wake up and be all "-stretch- K, lets get outta here" ?
 

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What I dont understand is how Vens heart didn't go back to his body when Sora stabbed his self with RikuAnsems Keyblade in KH1... Kairis heart went back to her, why not Vens?
 

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What I dont understand is how Vens heart didn't go back to his body when Sora stabbed his self with RikuAnsems Keyblade in KH1... Kairis heart went back to her, why not Vens?

His heart was still incomplete and couldn't go anywhere.
 

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When Vanitas was created it was in no way only a "minor" injury. Master Xehanort also cut off an entire part from Ven's heart. That shard became then the core of Vanitas's heart.
The injury was in fact so severe that combined with Vanitas taking almost all of Ven's energy, him being weakened due to the heartless attack earlier he was on the brink of dissappearing.
That was also the sole reason why MX even dumped Ventus on Destiny Islands. Sora's newborn heart connecting with him thus saved him from certain doom.

The second time when Ven destroyed the x-blade the injuries inflicted to his heart were much worse than the first time. It was so bad he fell into a coma because his heart couldn't control the body any longer. Yen Sid could not even sense Ven's heart anymore despite him being a retired master so that also gives a hint on how bad it actually is.


What Sign said is correct, not to mention Ven's heart is asleep the whole time inside Sora in order to bear the pain. His plea to stay with Sora were his last words for a long time as far as we know.

Furthermore the chamber of Awakening is only reachable with the help of Aqua, and it's in another realm as well (the realm of in-between).

Ugh, now I'm gonna be off topic, but if he's awoken, would retrieving Aqua to save him still be necessary? She's the only one who know the way into the Room of Waking, but is the same vice versa? Or can Ven just wake up and be all "-stretch- K, lets get outta here" ?

That won't work because the chamber is unreachable without Aqua.
Also Ven's heart can't get there on its own because it can't move.

Nonetheless, the way how Ven might be saved could be shown in DDD, while the actual rescue will most likely happen either in the middle or near the end of KH III.
 

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What I dont understand is how Vens heart didn't go back to his body when Sora stabbed his self with RikuAnsems Keyblade in KH1... Kairis heart went back to her, why not Vens?

It went to Roxas. Roxas had no memories, because "his" Heart was damaged. Leaving Roxas an incomplete Nobody. But having Ventus' Heart, he could wield a Keyblade.
 

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That was also the sole reason why MX even dumped Ventus on Destiny Islands. Sora's newborn heart connecting with him thus saved him from certain doom.

did MX know this would happen? if not, why would he put him there?


also, if ven's heart goes back to him before Aqua unseals the room, would he be trapped in there?
 

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did MX know this would happen? if not, why would he put him there?


also, if ven's heart goes back to him before Aqua unseals the room, would he be trapped in there?

Read the Xehanort Reports. After he thought he pretty much killed him, he dropped him off at Destiny Islands to spend his last moments in peace.
 

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It went to Roxas. Roxas had no memories, because "his" Heart was damaged. Leaving Roxas an incomplete Nobody. But having Ventus' Heart, he could wield a Keyblade.

It was rather so that it remained with Roxas, not went to him.
When Sora's heart became a heartless it kicked out Ven's crippled heart, which remained stuck inside Sora's body, giving it Ven's appearance.
If anything Roxas was not an incomplete nobody but actually more than a nobody because he had a heart.
Naminé could, if at all, described as an "incomplete" nobody because she had no body and no soul, which normally make up a nobody.

Nope, Roxas could wield a keyblade because he is the nobody of a keyblade wielder => Sora.
Ven's heart has nothing to do with it.
It provided Roxas's looks, somehow enabled him to feel actual emotions despite being broken and later on provided the second keyblade (which was Ven's).

did MX know this would happen? if not, why would he put him there?


also, if ven's heart goes back to him before Aqua unseals the room, would he be trapped in there?

MX didn't know Sora was born that night nor that another heart would be so compassionate to heal Ven's broken heart. He dumped him there because he thought it would be a fitting place for Ven to live out his last moments.

Ven's heart can't go back to its body on its own.
 

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then how is it ever going to go back? or do we not know yet

We really don't know, one possibility would however be:

First thing we need to know what the actual status of his heart is. If it, if at all, managed to recuperate to an extent for itself.

Nonetheless it's almost a given that the grave wounds inflicted by the destruction of the x-blade need to be healed so Ven's heart can even be fully functionable again.

Only then is Ven's heart even ready to return to its body, which can be easily archived by Aqua leading Sora to Ven's body.

Then Sora can awake Ven's heart (if he didn't already do so when he investigated the status of the heart) and put it back where it belongs.
 

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We really don't know, one possibility would however be:

First thing we need to know what the actual status of his heart is. If it, if at all, managed to recuperate to an extent for itself.

Nonetheless it's almost a given that the grave wounds inflicted by the destruction of the x-blade need to be healed so Ven's heart can even be fully functionable again.

Only then is Ven's heart even ready to return to its body, which can be easily archived by Aqua leading Sora to Ven's body.

Then Sora can awake Ven's heart (if he didn't already do so when he investigated the status of the heart) and put it back where it belongs.

so if they were to awaken him, he has to be physically present? so basically they need to get aqua back to get ven back and when aqua and ven are back they need to fight to get terra back.
 
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