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Characters from the past being in the present didn’t start with Union X but with birth by sleep



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a small topic I wanted to discuss, there is this topic that say >when did the kh series start becoming convoluted< And some answered that Union X throwing the characters in the past is where the problem started, but it’s actually birth by sleep that started it all, Terra, Aqua, Ventus, Xehanort are people from the past and those same people are still for 10 years didn’t age and now they are with us in the present time, Union X wasn’t the first to have characters from the past exist in the present time and still be the same age.
 

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No one has issues with characters introduced in a prequel still being around in present day. It's when they take characters from the present and throw them into the distant past that people aren't too keen on, as they could have just as easily created new ones to play those roles.
 

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Characters introduced in a prequel being around in present day isn't problematic. It's taking characters from the present and then throwing them into the distant past when they could have just created new ones to play those roles that people dislike.
I know what you mean and I agree but i still believe birth by sleep is the one that birthed the idea of characters who are from the past can now exist in the present time without aging, Union X is convoluted but all the convoluted plot originated from post kh2 games, kh2 introduced Data, Coded expanded on the data, bbs created this whole story of keyblade masters and keyblade wars and made it possible for past characters to exist in the present without aging, even young Xehanort originally first introduced in bbs, and DDD brought time travel, while Union X Expanded on time travel.

edit: my bad i didn’t pay attention to what you said in your quote, i edited and fixed my comment.
 
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You're comparing apples and oranges here. First of all, Ven and Aqua weren't even introduced until BBS (or the KH2FM secret movie if you wanna get technical about it), and even though Terra was there in Mickey's flashback, none of us knew that he was actually somebody else. And as for Xehanort, a good deal of KH2's story was setting up his character as a mysterious figure whose backstory would be explored later. It isn't the same as taking an already established character with established relationships and established storyline, and then out of nowhere throwing them into this far-off narrative that artificially amplifies their relative importance in the lore.

That's what rubs a lot of people the wrong way. In regards to Ventus, Lauriam, and Elrena, their appearance in UX is jarring and not set up at all by what we know of them to begin with. Nothing in their narratives up to that point indicated any deeper connection to the broader mythos than what we had already seen. Not to mention, none of them have ever once acknowledged sharing this hidden connection (and yes, I get they have amnesia, but unlike with Xehanort, this amnesia is never once mentioned, and in their cases it doesn't really ring as genuine—with Xehanort, the games built up that he didn't know who he was, that he was a mysterious person with a shadowy background, and that his story was something that needed to be explored. But with UX, none of the characters are ever once alluded to having memory issues, or having a hidden origin that bears any importance to the narrative—it just comes straight out of the blue, and it contradicts everything we knew about these people beforehand, so Nomura has to then jump through a bunch of excuses like retroactive amnesia to justify why these super-important aspects of their characters were never brought up previously.) It's all just another example of Nomura not fully thinking his story through, and then using blind spots in his characters' histories to connect them to something larger for which they were never originally meant.
 

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You're comparing apples and oranges here. First of all, Ven and Aqua weren't even introduced until BBS (or the KH2FM secret movie if you wanna get technical about it), and even though Terra was there in Mickey's flashback, none of us knew that he was actually somebody else. And as for Xehanort, a good deal of KH2's story was setting up his character as a mysterious figure whose backstory would be explored later. It isn't the same as taking an already established character with established relationships and established storyline, and then out of nowhere throwing them into this far-off narrative that artificially amplifies their relative importance in the lore.

That's what rubs a lot of people the wrong way. In regards to Ventus, Lauriam, and Elrena, their appearance in UX is jarring and not set up at all by what we know of them to begin with. Nothing in their narratives up to that point indicated any deeper connection to the broader mythos than what we had already seen. Not to mention, none of them have ever once acknowledged sharing this hidden connection (and yes, I get they have amnesia, but unlike with Xehanort, this amnesia is never once mentioned, and in their cases it doesn't really ring as genuine—with Xehanort, the games built up that he didn't know who he was, that he was a mysterious person with a shadowy background, and that his story was something that needed to be explored. But with UX, none of the characters are ever once alluded to having memory issues, or having a hidden origin that bears any importance to the narrative—it just comes straight out of the blue, and it contradicts everything we knew about these people beforehand, so Nomura has to then jump through a bunch of excuses like retroactive amnesia to justify why these super-important aspects of their characters were never brought up previously.) It's all just another example of Nomura not fully thinking his story through, and then using blind spots in his characters' histories to connect them to something larger for which they were never originally meant.
Can’t argue with that cause you made valid points, but you made one miscalculation, Ventus unlike elerena and laurima does have hints about him being from the past, it wasn’t planned but he still have had something that connected him to Union X, also Union X did exactly what birth by sleep did

• kh2 introduced apprentice Xehanort who we knew nothing of, and then in bbs we learned he is Terra being possessed by Xehanort

• bbs introduced Ventus as a mysterious character with no back story and has hints of him being unique, and in Union X it was revealed he is from that era

And about characters never mentioning their origins, now this falls on the writers problem, Mickey never even mentioned he met any of the bbs trio before or meeting Aqua in 0.2, so it’s more on the development problem rather then story problem.
 
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