nicely done you rox...now maybe they can stop saying stupid things like. "bhk is soras light." and "bhk is soras shell"
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Impressive.
It actually makes sense...and if your right, then that fills in all the little gaps to our questions.
Oh...and "wow". You actually gained respect from the forums most known "flammers". Much respect to you.
It actually makes sense...and if your right, then that fills in all the little gaps to our questions.
Oh...and "wow". You actually gained respect from the forums most known "flammers". Much respect to you.
Thanx for the positive input. I'd like to say Sora was exempt from the memory loss when
he lost his heart- I'd also like to put in some of my own theories, based on my
research, but there are only my opinions:
I believe BHK is an all-new charachter, although it is extremly likely that he has some
sort of connection to Sora (Wild thought!! It could have something to do with Sora losing
his heart in Hollow Bastion. Just a wild thought, mind you).
Could the Nobodies (the white creatures) have anything to do with the fact that many
hearts were lost to the Heartless? You tell me.
I've yet to figure out what the meaning of "the other side of the heart" means, but I do
have a theory. BHK lives in Twilight Town. He obiously has some connections with Sora.
Could it be that those same connections are what Vexen's memory card was about? Oh, and
about Riku having that memory, he and Sora are connected to- Riku is the darkness to
Sora's light. More specificly, my Paupou theory.
If you pay close attention, you'll see the reason why "Where the light goes, the darkness
follows", aka, why Riku always seems to pop up where Sora is. In the second cutscene in
Destiny Islands, Riku tosses Sora a paupou fruit, saying "You wanted one, didn't you?". I
like to believe that Riku, technicaly, and advertedly, shared it with Sora. Don't
worry, I am against the evil pairing, what I'm trying to say is that through that
connection, Riku's heart is connected to Sora's heart. If Sora had Twilight Town on the
other side of his heart, it is completly possible that Riku also obtained those memories.
Well, just some crazy theories to mull over. Feel free to comment, just don't flame. I'm pyro-intolerent.
he lost his heart- I'd also like to put in some of my own theories, based on my
research, but there are only my opinions:
I believe BHK is an all-new charachter, although it is extremly likely that he has some
sort of connection to Sora (Wild thought!! It could have something to do with Sora losing
his heart in Hollow Bastion. Just a wild thought, mind you).
Could the Nobodies (the white creatures) have anything to do with the fact that many
hearts were lost to the Heartless? You tell me.
I've yet to figure out what the meaning of "the other side of the heart" means, but I do
have a theory. BHK lives in Twilight Town. He obiously has some connections with Sora.
Could it be that those same connections are what Vexen's memory card was about? Oh, and
about Riku having that memory, he and Sora are connected to- Riku is the darkness to
Sora's light. More specificly, my Paupou theory.
If you pay close attention, you'll see the reason why "Where the light goes, the darkness
follows", aka, why Riku always seems to pop up where Sora is. In the second cutscene in
Destiny Islands, Riku tosses Sora a paupou fruit, saying "You wanted one, didn't you?". I
like to believe that Riku, technicaly, and advertedly, shared it with Sora. Don't
worry, I am against the evil pairing, what I'm trying to say is that through that
connection, Riku's heart is connected to Sora's heart. If Sora had Twilight Town on the
other side of his heart, it is completly possible that Riku also obtained those memories.
Well, just some crazy theories to mull over. Feel free to comment, just don't flame. I'm pyro-intolerent.
Very well done. Rep up for you! That is the first time I've ever seen TMM have anything nice to say! I have seen him apologize for a mistake though! Anyway great job on this thread and I am definatly looking forward to hearing more from you! PM me some time.
Really? your first time seeing tmm being nice well tmm was being nice when i made a theory thread- http://forums.khinsider.com/showthread.php?p=488751#post488751 but that was way back when..........KH Vandread said:
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Dude, you put a ton of thought into this. But you said that a shell doesn't have basic feelings right. So you are contridicting yourself. I'm sorry but how could Axle be a shell if he can react to being threatend and stuff. Don't get me wrong i love theories because they help out a lot. I'll bet that the gamemakers come on a lot and read posts to get ideas about what to put into the game. So just incase: Big battles with lots of heartless, G-bike(ff7), cloud on team, parry, uber speed, bottomless pits.
so basically sora is connectef to who ever has key blades and was sappose to. sora is connected to bhk=other side of heart, riku= what the thoery guy said about them being connected, and mickey=the voice in soras awakining.
the reason axel acts as he does because his element is fire and fire is hostile, untammed, angry, shows no mercy. i mean look at lexeaus(earth) he was calm, burlic, and was unbrokenMonsoon said:
Couldn't have put it better myself! Notice, though, Axel is controllable when he wants to, if he wants to, if he sees an oportunity to profit no. 1. The Orginisation have elemental powers, as we all know, and it is apparent that they behave accordingly. For instance, Vexen (Ice) was rather cool and calculating, but that all vanished when the heat was put on. Larexerine (Lightning) was sharp, uncontrollable, quick to strike and rather electricRikuHeroOfDark said:
p ). Marluxa was nature gone bad, and he held himself with an all-powerful air. We don't know Zexion's element, but it was most likely water, since he was calm, always avoiding conflict. Then there's this new charachter, Luxord, who fights with cards. I'm preety sure you meet him in the PoC world. I read something that he offers Jack a "wager" of some sort, so he'll probably be confident, a gambler. Just a guess though.
The only other shell we know of right now is DiZ, and in all the scenes I've seen of him, he shows no emotion- He is always thinking.
Or... is he searching for the heart that left him?
*Sits back and waits for them to wonder
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What if Sora's heart was split in two when he was turned back into a human from a Heartless? BHK could then be Sora's shell.
how could that be? if he had no heart he couldn't weild a key
No, it wouldn't work, because a shell consists of a body and a soul- if BHK was Sora's shell, Sora wouldn't be around to kick Ansem's tail. Half a heart wouldn't be enough to wield the keyblade. At least, that's what I believe.burningkeyblade said:
Anyone have any other questions?
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Good Work! You must have put a lot of effort into that. But I disagree with the paopu thing. I think that all keybearers have a connection with each other.
Tetsuya Nomura said that Riku was the original keyblade master but then he turned to darkness so that particular keyblade left him and went to Sora. That's how they both have Twilight Town. BHK is another keybearer, so they have a connection with him.
Mickey is the keybearer of the present. Sora of the light. BHK twilight. Riku darkness. That's all four dimension things that Nomura talked about.
I think the connection is in the other side of the heart, thereby getting the memory from there.
But apart from that, that's some great research and theories! Keep up the good work!
Tetsuya Nomura said that Riku was the original keyblade master but then he turned to darkness so that particular keyblade left him and went to Sora. That's how they both have Twilight Town. BHK is another keybearer, so they have a connection with him.
Mickey is the keybearer of the present. Sora of the light. BHK twilight. Riku darkness. That's all four dimension things that Nomura talked about.
I think the connection is in the other side of the heart, thereby getting the memory from there.
But apart from that, that's some great research and theories! Keep up the good work!
Heh, the paupou thing isn't really significant, I really just thought of it during a replay of KH. I just thought it was ironic, that's all. Your Keybearer theory is more likely.
Why is that? We have no other proof? That is fillabuster theroy because we already know that sora is present.
Actually, Zexion said himself that Sora was "the Warrior of Light", and that Riku was "a dark being." Then again, Namine (disguised as Kairi) told Riku that he stood in-between, in the twilight, and that darkness would make him stronger, "because it's your darkness."
Perhaps Riku can wield the Darkness because he can see the Light?
Perhaps Riku can wield the Darkness because he can see the Light?
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Hey, I don't know for sure. I didn't know that Mickey had been confirmed to be the Keybearer of the present, so I took a stab in the dark and said who I thought was likely to be the representative of that particular place. No need for flaming. It doesn't really matter who the particular keybearers are. My point was that there are now four, one for each of them.
All I was really doing was agreeing and letting Jacob Twilight know exactly where I disagreed. None of us know for sure, apart from Nomura and the other people who are making the game and maybe a couple who are publicising it and stuff.
I know that I might be wrong. All I'm doing is speculating. Everybody has a right to their own opinion and not to be criticised for it.
I apologise if I sound or sounded rude, nasty or stupid. Is that OK?
All I was really doing was agreeing and letting Jacob Twilight know exactly where I disagreed. None of us know for sure, apart from Nomura and the other people who are making the game and maybe a couple who are publicising it and stuff.
I know that I might be wrong. All I'm doing is speculating. Everybody has a right to their own opinion and not to be criticised for it.
I apologise if I sound or sounded rude, nasty or stupid. Is that OK?
I have a similar view to this on the purpose of the heart, body, and soul that I've been using for a while now. Basically, mine goes like this:
Heart: the mid-conscious urgings of the person, his deepest memories (those that need not be thought about, but are just there, like those in dreams: this would explain why the fake characters in CoM did not say exactly what Sora thought they would, but what he felt they would be like). Similar to a Japanese wraith, a Heartless would be akin to an imprint of the persons emotions that are left behind when they died. Something similar to this was in the Grudge, the Hollows in Bleach, and on an early chapter of Shaman King.
Soul: the higher-conscious thoughts of the person, logic, and reasoning. This would explain why the Order members do not seem to get as hyper or dramatic as Riku and Sora did in KH (though they may lean torwards it sometimes); also, why they all seem to be calculating how to use the Order itself to their own eneds. Similar to the religious concept of ghosts, this would be somewhat like Sir Nicholas de-Mimsy Porpington in Harry Potter.
Body: no-consciousness or lowest consciousness: the basic commands of the brain that the body carries out. Almost solely a vessel, though also existant like an animal or zombie: carrying out its directives. Perhaps this is why the Order has more success commanding Nobodies than the Circle had commanding Heartless.
On Shell personalities:
Zexion was almost always trying to manipulate Riku and the other members, so he could be like a poisonous snake. Status-afflict or Posion magic, maybe?
Marluxia holding himself as all powerful...maybe he thinks he controls Life itself?
If Luxord is a gambler, would that link him to fate: ie, time and/or space?
DiZ's lack of emotion: maybe he is a hollow shell (ie, no element to lead him)? The Order members may have taken in elements (if they were not already mages when split) to fill their hollow spaces, willingly or no. DiZ, however, may not be able to do so, or is "pure" enough not to do so.
As for the which path for keybladers: Riku of the dark (heart) is fairly evident, as is BHK of the twilight (body) {his element Support magic (swordtech only, no real elemental)}. Mickey could be of the light, as his attacks so far are all Holy-elemental, and he always advocated the light with Riku. That would leave Sora as the Keyblader of the whole world (the world of Somebodies).
It's all in all a nice theory, though I'd still like to know why the EM said Sora was incomplete. Also, if Sora was the keyblader of the present, it would make sense that he needed a strong heart (as well as body and soul): he'd have to be a full person. Riku, as the dark, would also need a strong heart (and the Heart Eater was made out of hearts...). However, would the light and twilight necessarily need them? Ansem was seemingly talking about only one keyblade (Sora's) at that point.
One thing I would say, though: Sora claims in screenshots from KH2 that a NEO (a formed shell, not a regular Nobody) is formed whenever one with a strong heart has his heart taken or otherwise seperated form his body. What is your theory on who is/what happened to this NEO?
Congrats, man. We need more people posting stuff like this, with actual content and thought.
Heart: the mid-conscious urgings of the person, his deepest memories (those that need not be thought about, but are just there, like those in dreams: this would explain why the fake characters in CoM did not say exactly what Sora thought they would, but what he felt they would be like). Similar to a Japanese wraith, a Heartless would be akin to an imprint of the persons emotions that are left behind when they died. Something similar to this was in the Grudge, the Hollows in Bleach, and on an early chapter of Shaman King.
Soul: the higher-conscious thoughts of the person, logic, and reasoning. This would explain why the Order members do not seem to get as hyper or dramatic as Riku and Sora did in KH (though they may lean torwards it sometimes); also, why they all seem to be calculating how to use the Order itself to their own eneds. Similar to the religious concept of ghosts, this would be somewhat like Sir Nicholas de-Mimsy Porpington in Harry Potter.
Body: no-consciousness or lowest consciousness: the basic commands of the brain that the body carries out. Almost solely a vessel, though also existant like an animal or zombie: carrying out its directives. Perhaps this is why the Order has more success commanding Nobodies than the Circle had commanding Heartless.
On Shell personalities:
Zexion was almost always trying to manipulate Riku and the other members, so he could be like a poisonous snake. Status-afflict or Posion magic, maybe?
Marluxia holding himself as all powerful...maybe he thinks he controls Life itself?
If Luxord is a gambler, would that link him to fate: ie, time and/or space?
DiZ's lack of emotion: maybe he is a hollow shell (ie, no element to lead him)? The Order members may have taken in elements (if they were not already mages when split) to fill their hollow spaces, willingly or no. DiZ, however, may not be able to do so, or is "pure" enough not to do so.
As for the which path for keybladers: Riku of the dark (heart) is fairly evident, as is BHK of the twilight (body) {his element Support magic (swordtech only, no real elemental)}. Mickey could be of the light, as his attacks so far are all Holy-elemental, and he always advocated the light with Riku. That would leave Sora as the Keyblader of the whole world (the world of Somebodies).
It's all in all a nice theory, though I'd still like to know why the EM said Sora was incomplete. Also, if Sora was the keyblader of the present, it would make sense that he needed a strong heart (as well as body and soul): he'd have to be a full person. Riku, as the dark, would also need a strong heart (and the Heart Eater was made out of hearts...). However, would the light and twilight necessarily need them? Ansem was seemingly talking about only one keyblade (Sora's) at that point.
One thing I would say, though: Sora claims in screenshots from KH2 that a NEO (a formed shell, not a regular Nobody) is formed whenever one with a strong heart has his heart taken or otherwise seperated form his body. What is your theory on who is/what happened to this NEO?
Congrats, man. We need more people posting stuff like this, with actual content and thought.
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