Dark Road ► Baldr's sister & potential connections to Verum Rex?

[Oracle Spockanort]

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So, we know about Baldr and how his sister was one of the upperclassmen that went missing.

I spent all morning trying to figure out who Baldr's sister could be because Odin did not have any daughters as far as I am aware. (Somebody with more knowledge about Norse mythology can correct me) Baldr does have a wife, though. Her name is Nanna.

I'm thinking for the sake of the game, Nomura has decided to make Nanna the sister of Baldr instead of his wife.

Here is something I read about Nanna that was pretty interesting:

Nanna is revered alongside her husband Baldr for her unwavering love and loyalty. In Ásgard, she is said to dwell with Baldr in his celestial hall, Breiðablik – a court of stars, which in folklore is associated with the Milky Way.

NORSE GODS: NANNA – Ýdalir

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Court of Stars?

@Antifa Lockhart said something today that made me think a bit: Perhaps the Verum Rex kids are the missing upperclassmen. I think I agree with him on this idea.

If they are the missing upperclassmen, is it possible that Yozora himself is possibly Baldr searching for Nanna? Is the girl we see Nanna? She has a star necklace. She appears as one of the stars in the Final World.

The legend surrounding Ragnarok states that Baldr and Nanna both die and wait in Hel (the abyss?) until the end of the world. From that point they reemerge and come back to the world of the living.

Just some food for thought.

 

[Zettaflare]

Interesting theory.

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I wonder if you lose your keyblade in the abyss? Cause as I mentioned earlier the Verum Rex kids dont use them.

I could get behind Baldr being Yozora and Nameless star Nanna Though if it turns out Nanna was his wife/fiance like the original Norse myth that would be another connection to Noctis and Stella.

 

[Katsagu]

Okay. Let me play a bit with this idea. If this ends up being true, could Demyx and Luxord's somebodies also be part of the upper classmans that dissapeared?

I say this considering 2 things:
- The thing xemnas tells them on the keyblade graveyard.
- The possibility of Yozora's butler being Luxord.

 

[chenoehii]

Okay. Let me play a bit with this idea. If this ends up being true, could Demyx and Luxord's somebodies also be part of the upper classmans that dissapeared?

I say this considering 2 things:
- The thing xemnas tells them on the keyblade graveyard.
- The possibility of Yozora's butler being Luxord.

The only thing is the butler, aka Not Luxord, tells Yozora, aka Not Noctis, “Impressive, is it not?” Like Yozora hasn’t seen the kind of power Sora has, basically the keyblade. I mean that’s assuming what Not Luxord meant by his statement, but if we run with that meaning than why would he say that to Yozora of all people if he used to be a keykids? Y would know the power of the keyblade.

I personally don’t think Demyx and Luxord will be involved with UX at this late stage, although I really thought they would, but I don’t know that the upperclassman theory works. I’d rather it not be that personally lol

 

[SuperSaiyanSora]

The only thing is the butler, aka Not Luxord, tells Yozora, aka Not Noctis, “Impressive, is it not?” Like Yozora hasn’t seen the kind of power Sora has, basically the keyblade. I mean that’s assuming what Not Luxord meant by his statement, but if we run with that meaning than why would he say that to Yozora of all people if he used to be a keykids? Y would know the power of the keyblade.

I personally don’t think Demyx and Luxord will be involved with UX at this late stage, although I really thought they would, but I don’t know that the upperclassman theory works. I’d rather it not be that personally lol

Well in KH3, Xemnas said that Luxord, Marluxia, Larxene and Demyx all hold ancient secrets to the Keyblade War and that was the reason why those four were chosen to join Org. XIII. So if Xemnas is to be believed (seeing as how he's an extension of Xehanort himself), then Luxord would've had to have been around at that point. But, if he's an upperclassman, it'd be weird because you'd think Xehanort would remember him.

 

[Ballad of Caius]

But, if he's an upperclassman, it'd be weird because you'd think Xehanort would remember him.

Or he never saw them or didn't pay any attention to them.

I like the thought that the Verum Rex cast is actually the lost six upperclassmen and that Not!Stella could be Baldr's sister. But I wonder what sort of mission did Master Odin send Baldr to? I get the feeling that Odin sent Baldr to the Final World to verify whether or not the upperclassmen were dead.

 

[SuperSaiyanSora]

Or he never saw them or didn't pay any attention to them.

I like the thought that the Verum Rex cast is actually the lost six upperclassmen and that Not!Stella could be Baldr's sister. But I wonder what sort of mission did Master Odin send Baldr to? I get the feeling that Odin sent Baldr to the Final World to verify whether or not the upperclassmen were dead.

Yeah, I'm thinking they didn't show us Baldr's appearance for a reason. Usually when they do that, it's because it's someone who we'll recognize or looks similar to them.

The upperclassmen disappearing also reminds me of how the Foretellers aren't around in Union X after the war. I'm not saying they're the same people, but I like how there's a parallel there. Then there's Baldr's sister going missing, like how Strelitzia did with Lauriam... Intentional, I'm sure.

In fact, Master Odin sending Baldr off on some mysterious mission reminds me of how the Master of Masters also sent Luxu off on a task that nobody else knew about (until Luxu told Ava what it was). I wonder why liked the story about the Lost Masters.

He could've sent Baldr to check the Final World, but then I wonder if Ven's Chirithy would remember if someone came through. Given the way it was talking to Sora, you get the impression that it'd been there for a long time and hadn't seen anyone for equally as long.

 

[Dandelion]

The only thing is the butler, aka Not Luxord, tells Yozora, aka Not Noctis, “Impressive, is it not?” Like Yozora hasn’t seen the kind of power Sora has, basically the keyblade. I mean that’s assuming what Not Luxord meant by his statement, but if we run with that meaning than why would he say that to Yozora of all people if he used to be a keykids? Y would know the power of the keyblade.

He's talking about the palace in the city. Just like in the versus XIII trailer.

 

[Zettaflare]

He's talking about the palace in the city. Just like in the versus XIII trailer.

What palace? I dont recall a palace being shown after the Yozora battle

 

[Dandelion]

The building that Yozora is hanging out on in the Secret Ending is identical to the palace from Versus. The scene of Yozora in the car is identical to one of Noctis waking up in his car and his chauffeur tells him "impressive isn't it" When Noctis looks out the window he sees the guard surrounding the palace building in the middle of Insomnia.

Luxord wouldn't be waking up Yozora to tell him "wow, that dream battle you just had was impressive and I'm totally going to comment on it even though you're supposed to secretly be in another form." He's calling him Commander (not Yozora, which is a big tell that he's not showing that he knows Yozora is in a different form) and waking him up so that he knows they're almost at their destination.

Though technically, the chauffeur was talking about the fleet moving in from the empire, so I suppose that he may not be talking about the palace or the city in KH3 -- but he's definitely talking about what's going on at their destination. Not Sora.

 

[Katsagu]

The building that Yozora is hanging out on in the Secret Ending is identical to the palace from Versus. The scene of Yozora in the car is identical to one of Noctis waking up in his car and his chauffeur tells him "impressive isn't it" When Noctis looks out the window he sees the guard surrounding the palace building in the middle of Insomnia.

Luxord wouldn't be waking up Yozora to tell him "wow, that dream battle you just had was impressive and I'm totally going to comment on it even though you're supposed to secretly be in another form." He's calling him Commander (not Yozora, which is a big tell that he's not showing that he knows Yozora is in a different form) and waking him up so that he knows they're almost at their destination.

Though technically, the chauffeur was talking about the fleet moving in from the empire, so I suppose that he may not be talking about the palace or the city in KH3 -- but he's definitely talking about what's going on at their destination. Not Sora.

I think there has to be something more to that. Because in the ending where Sora loses yozora wakes up by himself.

 

[Dandelion]

I think there has to be something more to that. Because in the ending where Sora loses yozora wakes up by himself.

Because Luxord's appearance is the reward for getting the "good" ending.

 

[Zettaflare]

This is a good theory but if it's true it will be very confusing. So Baldr would be Yozora who is also in disguise as the Commander

I dont think Yozora being the commander would be treated as a "disguise". He may have just took that title after spending decades in Shinjuku

 

[Alpha Baymax]

Talk about an interesting mythological parallel, Spockanort. This makes a lot of sense.

Come to think of it, what if the alternate worldlines take inspiration from the Nine Realms?

 

[Ballad of Caius]

Talk about an interesting mythological parallel, Spockanort. This makes a lot of sense.

Come to think of it, what if the alternate worldlines take inspiration from the Nine Realms?

Okay. That's it. Nomura is making his own multiverse. Worldlines isn't a narrative concept for the KINGDOM HEARTS franchise. It's gonna be a meta concept for Nomura to use in order to justify the cruising of multiple games he has in mind. Verum Rex and kH will be part of the Nomura Universe.

 

[Noivern]

I really like this theory and I would love if it turns out to be the case, as it would connect neatly into KH in my opinion.

As to Yozora himself, it's important to note that the Star in the final world says the person she's been waiting for has been essentially rebuilt and doesn't even remember who he used to be, so Baldr's case could be different from Ven who lost his memories but kept his original self; instead of just ending in another place, his whole heart may have been reincarnated, living a whole different life.

 

[Ballad of Caius]

I really like this theory and I would love if it turns out to be the case, as it would connect neatly into KH in my opinion.

As to Yozora himself, it's important to note that the Star in the final world says the person she's been waiting for has been essentially rebuilt and doesn't even remember who he used to be, so Baldr's case could be different from Ven who lost his memories but kept his original self; instead of just ending in another place, his whole heart may have been reincarnated, living a whole different life.

I have a theory:

Baldr is [I]semi[/I] gone. By that, I mean he's as gone as Roxas and Xiong were inside Sora's heart. That said, I think something tragic happened to Baldr and his heart is linked with someone else's in order to survive.

That someone is Yozora. Like in Versus XIII, child Yozora had a near death experience and connected his heart with Baldr's, thus making the young Yozora survive and Baldr live on through Yozora's heart.

Problem is, Yozora starts growing up and Baldr stays nurtured in his heart forever.

This is why Nameless Star tells Sora that the person she's after no longer remembers who he is: because his heart is inside another person.

This is the reason as to why Yozora speaks of the Nameless Star without the familiarity you would expect from someone to be his girlfriend: Nameless Star is Baldr's sister.

This also means that Baldr's sister, an upperclassman, died. Suggesting that perhaps the other ones shared the same futile fate (which is part of Xehanort's observation: not surviving Heartless attacks).

 

[Deleted member 252753]

This also means that Baldr's sister, an upperclassman, died. Suggesting that perhaps the other ones shared the same futile fate (which is part of Xehanort's observation: not surviving Heartless attacks).

IIRC, the Nameless Star was killed by 'a somebody' and not the Heartless. So if this theory were true, then there should be a killer about as well.

 

[Ballad of Caius]

the Nameless Star was killed by 'a somebody'

When was this confirmed? I faintly remember her specifying someone killing her.

 

[Deleted member 252753]

When was this confirmed? I faintly remember her specifying someone killing her.

When Sora speaks with her in the Final World the conversation goes like this:

Sora: So, uh… who did this to you? Heartless steal hearts, so… a Nobody?

Nameless Star: A… somebody.

For me that's pretty clear.