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At Long Last My Unbirth Theory!!!



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The only problem with Anti-form is that it does'nt really have anything to do with unbirths. And Nomura did say that the name "Unbirth" gave real meaning. So it's likely that he is saying that unbirths really do have something to do with unbirth. So my theory wether Namine is an unbirth or not still is a good possibility.
 

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The only problem with Anti-form is that it does'nt really have anything to do with unbirths. And Nomura did say that the name "Unbirth" gave real meaning. So it's likely that he is saying that unbirths really do have something to do with unbirth. So my theory wether Namine is an unbirth or not still is a good possibility.

Only you're forgetting Nomura also said that Namine was a special Nobody.
If you go by Nomura's words to the letter, your theory crashes and burns the moment you brought up Namine's name.
If you go somewhat against Nomura's words, in which he said Anti Form has to do with Sora becoming a Heartless - not that he's becoming a Heartless again - then it's as legit as saying Namine's an Unbirth.
Unbirths have to do with the Heartless.
So does Anti Form.
 

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You forget that unbirths have to do with nobodies also. If an unbirth is the whole being that has lost it's existence and therefore it's like they were never born. Then it's connected to both nobody and heartless via the loss of body, soul and heart, since nobodies are body and soul and heartless are hearts.

Secondly Namine does'nt have to be an unbirth for others to become an unbirth.
 

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You forget that unbirths have to do with nobodies also. If an unbirth is the whole being that has lost it's existence and therefore it's like they were never born. Then it's connected to both nobody and heartless via the loss of body, soul and heart, since nobodies are body and soul and heartless are hearts.

Where exactly is this stated?
 

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You forget that unbirths have to do with nobodies also.

And you're basing Anti Form doesn't on what? Nomura confirmed Sora was affected by his Nobody. We only got Anti Form after Roxas and him fused back, so we can't rule him out as also possibly having to do with this.

If an unbirth is the whole being that has lost it's existence and therefore it's like they were never born.

Yeah you're forgetting about the huge ass post I left you about all the flaws I found in your theory. So don't just come in and preach to me like it's legit.

Secondly Namine does'nt have to be an unbirth for others to become an unbirth.

Only that's about the major part of your theory. You seem to forget about that.

Where exactly is this stated?

I think Nomura might've said something about that.
On either case, it can go by proxy via their relation to the Heartless.
... *looks at Sora, Roxas and Ve-*
*slaps self*
 

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Namine is'nt the major part of my theory. Ansem's time in the realm of nothingness is the major part. How would Roxas have affected Anti-Form.? He was asleep inside of Sora through out the bigger part of KH2. I don't understand how you found those flaws because Ansem described nothingness as being void of existence and it seems that anything that remains in that realm will also cease to exist.
 

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Namine is'nt the major part of my theory. Ansem's time in the realm of nothingness is the major part.

And that's why you only have his words in one paragraph as opposed to Namine and CO being in a total of three?

How would Roxas have affected Anti-Form.? He was asleep inside of Sora through out the bigger part of KH2.

1) He was hardly asleep.
2) He was there. What was dormant was his sense of self, not his composition.
3) yeah, I'll officially go with Masta about this. Until we know for a fact there isn't some Past Nobody counterpart, they seem only related to the Heartless.

I don't understand how you found those flaws because Ansem described nothingness as being void of existence and it seems that anything that remains in that realm will also cease to exist.

You obviously don't, otherwise you wouldn't have made them.
Listen, true Existence was never referenced in KH. I'm not saying Unbirths might not be just that, but you're basing your theory on things which - as far as we know at this time - don't mean that. The Existence as referenced thus far, the ones Nobodies lack - is, as you said yourself, Identity.
AtW was talking about losing his mind, not about disappearing.
The realm of Nothingness has stuff in there - we saw as much - even if those stuff are only leftovers, the things without substance, with neither light nor dark.
They're empty, and yet - they are.
 

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Wether Ansem was tallking about his mind or his existence being lost in the realm of nothingness is a matter of opinion. If my opinion is correct then my theory is possible.

Namine does'nt have to be an unbirth for other people to become unbirths. I was just using her as a possible example. But the process of becoming an unbirth may not apply to Namine but it may apply to other people.
 

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Namine does'nt have to be an unbirth for other people to become unbirths. I was just using her as a possible example. But the process of becoming an unbirth may not apply to Namine but it may apply to other people.

In which case your theory structure, pardon my French, sucks. Because you actually brought in an example to counter your claim.
I suggest warmly that you kick out the Namine parts of your theory, but that would leave you with half a paragraph of an example-less theory.
 

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Wether my theory has an example means little. Ansem's experiance in the realm of nothingness and my opinion on that is what determines wether this is possible or not.
 

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I looked but still your opinion of what Ansem may have lost in the realm of nothingness is different than mine. And if my opinion of Ansem lossing his existence is right then my theory is possible. If your opinion is right then my theory is wrong. But it's all a matter of who's opinion will turn out to be correct that will decide if this theory is possible or not.
 

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And until my opinion is swayed, then no, I don't think it's possible. *smiles*
Guess that about settles that.

Now I'll go away and continue pondering about why you have most of your theory about Namine when she's irrelevant to harmful to your theory.
 

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Or you could just ignore the Namine part and focus on the general idea that unbirths are nothingness.
 

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Well i'm not here to get your approval anyways. I'm here to state my opinions. And so far you have failed to disprove that unbirths being nothingness is not possible so my theory still holds.
 

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M'k I read a bit of your theory. From what I've read, you say thet when one loses their memory, an Unbirth would be created? If that's true then everyone involved with Sora including Riku, Kairi, Tidus, Wakka, Selphie, would all have one, due to them losing their memories of Sora. Meh I dont quite get what you are trying to say.
 

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No i'm saying memory is only one of the things you lose when you become an unbirth. You loose your whole existence(Body, soul, heart, memory, everything) If you no longer exist then it's like you were never born, thus unbirth.
 
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