Are you really a Nobody?

[K3ybladespartan]

Yeah just wondering after reading all these people aregue about who has who's heart. A question formed and it may be dumb but still a bit of a thinker...How can you be a Nobody if you have a heart? I mean a Nobody is a body/soul with no heart but if you say that Roxas has Ven's heart, then how can he be a Nobody if he has a heart?


Explain please

 

[ThatGuy]

Within the Kingdom Hearts universe no one knew Roxas had Ven's heart. We only know he has Ven's heart from Nomura

 

[K3ybladespartan]

In days it seemed like Xemnas knew or it could just be how he looks like ventus

 

[WilliamTheWise]

If Roxas did have a heart, he could still be a nobody, but a very special one. He was still created when his other lost his heart and was made from his body and soul. But because of Sora's special case (Ven's heart) something else was added to the mixture. Just like Namine he had emotions and was very different from that of other nobodies. Him having a heart would explain why. Now Roxas is a nobody as he was born from Sora, but he doesn't fit all the rules if he has a heart. But Roxas can't be his own being (Heart/body/soul) as he is made up of parts of life that aren't his own. It said in KH2 by Namine, that he would have disappeared if he hadn't rejoined with Sora. It's just easier to call him a nobody, as it made things simplier. Xehanort's heartless might not be a heartless, and Namine really can't be called a nobody by the definition the games give us. But we still refer to them as such because there isn't any other term to classifiy them as.

 

[gelandporn]

The more specific definition of a Nobody is that they are the body and soul left behind when a heart is consumed by darkness.

But more broadly you could say that a Nobody is whatever is left behind when a heart is consumed by darkness. A Nobody is what's left, the remnants, after a heart is gone.

So if you hypothetically have two hearts, and one of them gets consumed by darkness, that still leaves the other heart.
Roxas therefore fits the broader definition. He was still forged in Nothingness, but happens to have, in addition to a body and soul, a heart, due to the special circumstances surrounding his birth.

 

[Crystal]

Roxas is a special nobody without any memories.
Possible he is having Ven's heart?

 

[Sephiroth0812]

Roxas is a special nobody without any memories.
Possible he is having Ven's heart?

Very highly possible to almost sure one could say, as this is why Roxas looks just like Ventus.
Ven's heart may be injured and inactive and therefore Roxas could not feel it, but it still allowed him to have real emotions.

Nonetheless he still remains Sora's nobody, albeit a very special one (see the Secret Ansem Reports from KH II for this, also for Naminé).
Roxas has Sora's body and soul as well as Ven's injured heart, this makes him still a nobody since none of the parts he is made up from are his own.
The only things that define "Roxas" and make him a different existence from Sora and Ven are his own memories which he created in the year he lived as an independent individual.
So, unlike normal nobodies, who use the memories from their former selves to form their sense of self, Roxas is a special case who formed his own memories and by extension his own sense of self which is different from Sora's and Ven's.
So one could say Roxas (as well as Naminé and Xion) are highly special cases who defy the "natural" laws of the KH-Universe.
That's the reason why Sora =/= Roxas and also Ven =/= Roxas, he has an own sense of self, yet no own parts to form an independent existence, hence he residing inside Sora.

 

[Crystal]

Very highly possible to almost sure one could say, as this is why Roxas looks just like Ventus.
Ven's heart may be injured and inactive and therefore Roxas could not feel it, but it still allowed him to have real emotions.

Nonetheless he still remains Sora's nobody, albeit a very special one (see the Secret Ansem Reports from KH II for this, also for Naminé).
Roxas has Sora's body and soul as well as Ven's injured heart, this makes him still a nobody since none of the parts he is made up from are his own.
The only things that define "Roxas" and make him a different existence from Sora and Ven are his own memories which he created in the year he lived as an independent individual.
So, unlike normal nobodies, who use the memories from their former selves to form their sense of self, Roxas is a special case who formed his own memories and by extension his own sense of self which is different from Sora's and Ven's.
So one could say Roxas (as well as Naminé and Xion) are highly special cases who defy the "natural" laws of the KH-Universe.
That's the reason why Sora =/= Roxas and also Ven =/= Roxas, he has an own sense of self, yet no own parts to form an independent existence, hence he residing inside Sora.

How about Xemnas? Is he being a special one?

 

[Alex999]

How about Xemnas? Is he being a special one?

how is xemnas not special? the person he was made from had 2 hearts, possibly 3 (eraqus)

what id like to know though is what defines the shape the nobody takes after if hes made from someone thats carrying more than one heart. probly not relevant, still curious.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

Xemnas is also a special case, yes, but in an other way then Naminé and Roxas.
While Naminé and Roxas developed their own senses of self independent from their true counterparts due to Kairi/Naminé and Sora/Roxas coexisting, is the case of Xemnas a tad more complicated.

Like Alex999 said, Xemnas was created from a made-up being (Apprentice Xehanort) who had 3 hearts within him. The questions that remain are what gained Xemnas from which heart and in what amount.
This however is one of the riddles rumored to be addressed in KH 3D, how the powers/memories and and hearts from Master Xehanort, Terra and Master Eraqus were divided between Ansem, Seeker of Darkness and Xemnas.

what id like to know though is what defines the shape the nobody takes after if hes made from someone thats carrying more than one heart. probly not relevant, still curious

The shape is probably defined by the heart that is leftover, not by the one that got overtaken by darkness and became a heartless.
Best Example is again Roxas, Sora's heart was overtaken by darkness, expelling Ventus's injured one in the process which remained in the body and shaped it to look like its original body, Ventus. Ergo Roxas has Ventus's looks.
For Xemnas, as already said, MX/Terra's and Eraqus's hearts are implied to be meshed together differently than Sora's and Ven's, not to mention the former connection was a forced one compared to the latter, so we don't know it exactly, but judging by Xemnas's looks it seems he was influenced by MX's heart and Terra's as well.

 

[Horizon's Knight]

Well, Nobodies are the remains of a strong hearted person when a Heart is consumed by Darkness. Roxas is still a Nobody becuase he was formed out of Sora's Body and Soul when he became a Heartless. Also, it was mentioned that Roxas couldn't sense that Ven's Heart was there because it was dormant and gravely injured. Add to the fact that the dark of of Ven's Heart is gone, and you only get a being iwth half a Heart, not a full one. Since it was still a Heart, Roxas could experience real emotions reguardless. Basically, since Ven's Heart is halved, gravely injured, and dormant, Roxas is not considered a whole being. I hope this you understand a little bit better.

 

[Crystal]

Well, Nobodies are the remains of a strong hearted person when a Heart is consumed by Darkness. Roxas is still a Nobody becuase he was formed out of Sora's Body and Soul when he became a Heartless. Also, it was mentioned that Roxas couldn't sense that Ven's Heart was there because it was dormant and gravely injured. Add to the fact that the dark of of Ven's Heart is gone, and you only get a being iwth half a Heart, not a full one. Since it was still a Heart, Roxas could experience real emotions reguardless. Basically, since Ven's Heart is halved, gravely injured, and dormant, Roxas is not considered a whole being. I hope this you understand a little bit better.

Err..Wasn't nobody is made of body and soul ? But why strong heart? xD

 

[Stars]

Err..Wasn't nobody is made of body and soul ? But why strong heart? xD

Maybe he refered to Org XIII member?

 

[Crystal]

Maybe he refered to Org XIII member?

Why is it related to Org XIII?

 

[Stars]

Why is it related to Org XIII?

They are nobodies that remained in human form, maybe due to strong heart during their human life.. I'm not sure about that though..

 

[VanitasRemnant]

Xemnas is not special hes a normal nobody with no heart and no emotions.He didnt come from a person with 3 hearts only one.Xeahnort has Terras body and soul but MX heart.The heart went to Ansem SOD which is why they are so much the same and Terras body and Soul went to Xemnas.Remember when Terra-Xeahnort plunged himself with the keyblade?Well yeah what do you think happened?He destroyed Terras and Eraqus heart.But MX heart continued to reside inside.

 

[Nayru's Love]

Remember when Terra-Xeahnort plunged himself with the keyblade?Well yeah what do you think happened?He destroyed Terras and Eraqus heart.But MX heart continued to reside inside.

Terra's Heart (and Eraqus', for that matter) still exists. Blank Points goes to prove that.

Xemnas is in fact a special Nobody. He's not a carbon copy of Xehanort in terms of looks, his Heartless arguably can't be called a Heartless, and, well...The fact that Xehanort in general is a giant mess of everything kinda rubs off of Xemnas.

 

[ajmrowland]

Xemnas is not special hes a normal nobody with no heart and no emotions.He didnt come from a person with 3 hearts only one.Xeahnort has Terras body and soul but MX heart.The heart went to Ansem SOD which is why they are so much the same and Terras body and Soul went to Xemnas.Remember when Terra-Xeahnort plunged himself with the keyblade?Well yeah what do you think happened?He destroyed Terras and Eraqus heart.But MX heart continued to reside inside.

rewatch Blank Points cuz, aside from that, I can only refer to Xemnas' attempts to use KH to save Ven and Aqua(Hence, the chambers), and the one scene where he says-with a look of utmost sadness-that he can only remember negative feelings.

Xehanort's heart went to ASOD, naturally, but its not as easy to explain what Xemnas ended up with.