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A heart. The basic fundamental entity that controls who we are and what we are. A heart, something so simple, yet so complex determines so much to who we are. It determines our ages, physical appearance, even our gender. Certainly there must be some sort of clue inside as to what a heart is. Unfortunately, there is not. All research on this subject is only fictional, and cannot be referenced directly. But with this I intend to figure out what a heart is.

Before you are born, your heart passes through a place called the Station of Awakening…or Chamber of Waking. Whatever Nomura’s calling it these days. A bright orb of light carrying all the data of the person to be traverses this empty room. It enters a sort of apex before it crosses over into the realm of light. But it is not seen doing so. It goes inside of the body to be born and then… it’s…born. Now, I’m just a simple fireman/ porn star/ adventurer/ slacker, but before a baby is born, it has to enter the womb via means of “donor material“. And I’ve seen enough hentai to know that this “donor material” is white and shiny, just like a heart. That has no purpose, I only thought it was funny. The donor material makes a baby, and the baby grows through phases; embryo, fetus, etc. This whole time, this entity to be born lacks a heart. One could say that it share’s its mother’s heart, but I think I’m going too far back. The point of this paragraph is to say “GENETICS BE DAMNED.” This explains physical appearance.

A bastard youth by the name of Ven forsook his family [or was kidnapped. Doesn't specifically matter] and followed a man to the ends of the worlds as his apprentice. This man’s name…is Master Xehanort; effectively known as MX from here on out. Through an event unforeseeable by him [or his parents], Ven’s heart became split into 2: Ventus, the original, and Vanitas, his darker half. This caused Ven to go into a coma. Considering that our heart is what makes us what we are, it’d make sense that he’d go to sleep once his heart fractured. His heart, being programmed to do what it does sought to return to Kingdom Hearts. As it passed through the Station of Awakening for what would be it’s final return to the source, the heart of fate was born; a boy called Sora [you say the whole thing] Ven’s heart asked Sora’s heart if it could sponge off of it for a while, and Sora being who he was, said yes. Ven’s heart, being the leech like it did, took refuse in Sora’s heart. And that, altered sora’s appearance to look like Ven. So it’s not so much as Roxas looks like Ven, it’s the Roxas looks like Sora who looks like Ven. And it's confirmed in game that Roxas and Sora look just alike.

At the age Ven connected his heart to Sora’s was his mid teens. So when Sora in HIS teens released his heart, it released Ven’s heart, which was permanently frozen at the age of 15. Sora released Kairi’s heart at the same time. Kairi’s heart used Sora’s shell as an intermediary to create Namine, a femanle nobody. this is Ansem's hypothesis. I see nothing really wrong with it, but some people believed otherwise.

All in all I can say this, judging by the info given in game about the heart, one could say that the heart is the essential building block for a person. Without it, the shell is just a blank, pointless, empty, nonessential husk with no identity, which OCCASIONALLY becomes a nobody. Considering that the heart is not only our gender, it determines our age, appearance, and who you are all around, I’d say that our shell without our heart, has no real identity of our own. The heart, for all intents and purposes, is a sort of identification card. And given that the heart is also the proof of life, I’d also say that without one, in the KH Universe, your ass is…Grass.

Italics are non canon info.
 
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They why isn't this thread in the BBS Spoilers section them? At least put spoiler tags on
 

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"Now, I’m just a simple fireman/ porn star/ adventurer/ slacker, but before a baby is born, it has to enter the womb via means of “donor material“. And I’ve seen enough hentai to know that this “donor material” is white and shiny, just like a heart. That has no purpose, I only thought it was funny."
i lol'd at this and then couldnt take this thread srsly sorry bro
 

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"Now, I’m just a simple fireman/ porn star/ adventurer/ slacker, but before a baby is born, it has to enter the womb via means of “donor material“. And I’ve seen enough hentai to know that this “donor material” is white and shiny, just like a heart. That has no purpose, I only thought it was funny."
i lol'd at this and then couldnt take this thread srsly sorry bro
 

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They why isn't this thread in the BBS Spoilers section them? At least put spoiler tags on

Obviously I thought I was putting it in the section at the time and later added the "contains BBS spoilers" part later. And to put in spoilers when it's going to be moved is pointless.
 
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And given that the heart is also the proof of life, I’d also say that without one, in the KH Universe, your ass is…Grass.

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Before you are born, your heart passes through a place called the Station of Awakening…or Chamber of Waking. Whatever Nomura’s calling it these days.

Traditionally, we say that the Station of Awakening is representative of the heart itself, but I can buy into this, especially in lieu of the fact that hearts can appear in the Station (eg Ven's heart in Sora's station). While this could simply be a metaphor for Ven's heart dwelling within Sora's, you have to wonder why it wasn't simply Ven's persona, and not his heart, that was shown in the Station (though I guess it would have been awkward to show a 15 year-old boy fusing into a 4 year-old).

Also, the Chamber of Waking=/=Station of Awakening, two separate thing.

Now, I’m just a simple fireman/ porn star/ adventurer/ slacker, but before a baby is born, it has to enter the womb via means of “donor material“. And I’ve seen enough hentai to know that this “donor material” is white and shiny, just like a heart. That has no purpose, I only thought it was funny. The donor material makes a baby, and the baby grows through phases; embryo, fetus, etc. This whole time, this entity to be born lacks a heart.

KH condones abortions: No heart, no problem.

One could say that it share’s its mother’s heart, but I think I’m going too far back. The point of this paragraph is to say “GENETICS BE DAMNED.” This explains physical appearance.

I do think that's going a bit too far back. Not to say that it couldn't be right, but the series would never delve into that issue anyway.
Still, that's interesting to think about. If your heart dictates your appearance as opposed to genes, and the heart is separate from the parents in the process of birth, how is it that a child looks like their parents in the KH series? I guess that's why the series has been dodging family!

A bastard youth by the name of Ven forsook his family and followed a man to the ends of the worlds as his apprentice.
We don't know enough to say how it was that Ven became MX's apprentice. It certainly didn't look willing on Ven's part from what we saw.


And that, altered sora’s appearance to look like Ven. So it’s not so much as Roxas looks like Ven, it’s the Roxas looks like Sora who looks like Ven.

I believe that most people do think Ven initially affected Sora's appearance.
However, you have to take into account here that Roxas doesn't just look like Ven, he looks exactly like him. Ergo, it would be more reasonable to assume that Roxas's appearance has less to do with looking like Sora as his Nobody and more to do with looking just like Ven because of Ven's heart.

In other words, it's more that Sora looks like Ven (for whatever reason), Roxas looks the same as Ven, and thus, substituting Roxas in place of Ven, Roxas looks like Sora.

At the age Ven connected his heart to Sora’s was his mid teens. So when Sora in HIS teens released his heart, it released Ven’s heart, which was permanently frozen at the age of 15.

All in all I can say this, judging by the info given in game about the heart, one could say that the heart is the essential building block for a person. Without it, the shell is just a blank, pointless, empty, nonessential husk with no identity. Considering that the heart is not only our gender, it determines our age, appearance, and who you are, I’d say that our shell without our heart, has no real identity of our own. The heart, for all intents and purposes, is a sort of identification card.

Well put.
 

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That one was for you buddy. Hey, why didn't you tell me about Hitler?

Traditionally, we say that the Station of Awakening is representative of the heart itself, but I can buy into this, especially in lieu of the fact that hearts can appear in the Station (eg Ven's heart in Sora's station). While this could simply be a metaphor for Ven's heart dwelling within Sora's, you have to wonder why it wasn't simply Ven's persona, and not his heart, that was shown in the Station (though I guess it would have been awkward to show a 15 year-old boy fusing into a 4 year-old).

I'd honestly agree with the hearts = station statement. For intents and purposes of this statement, I think it's both. And considering we've seen Sora shirtless, Ven shirtless, Ven going inside Sora, I'd say this wouldn't shock me. Case in point Akuroku.

Also, the Chamber of Waking=/=Station of Awakening, two separate thing.

But you understood my point. That's all that matters.

KH condones abortions: No heart, no problem.

Honestly, I like how we're so in tune.

I do think that's going a bit too far back. Not to say that it couldn't be right, but the series would never delve into that issue anyway.
Still, that's interesting to think about. If your heart dictates your appearance as opposed to genes, and the heart is separate from the parents in the process of birth, how is it that a child looks like their parents in the KH series? I guess that's why the series has been dodging family!

[shrugs shoulders]

We don't know enough to say how it was that Ven became MX's apprentice. It certainly didn't look willing on Ven's part from what we saw.

Okay. Not really relevant to the essay, but good to know.

I believe that most people do think Ven initially affected Sora's appearance.
However, you have to take into account here that Roxas doesn't just look like Ven, he looks exactly like him. Ergo, it would be more reasonable to assume that Roxas's appearance has less to do with looking like Sora as his Nobody and more to do with looking just like Ven because of Ven's heart.

I don't think otherwise, even though it's confirmed in game that Roxas and Sora look alike. I mean since Roxas and Sora look alike, it's suffice to say that Sora and Ven look alike. The only difference is hair color and style. In all complete honesty, I think Ven's heart affected Sora's appearance, which in turn affected Roxas' appearance, butI also think that the Ven portion of Roxas' heart affected his appearance as well.
 

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Okay, all I have to say is this...







































YOU ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!


On the other hand, does that mean there is no sex in KH? Or does that just create to body, and has nothing to do with the Heart whatsoever? Also, I agree that the Heart is basically the DNA and Spirit in KH. Like you said, "SCREW GENETICS"!
 

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i just think you were over thinking it when you made this but at the same time didn't think enough about the ssecond half in the spoilers
 

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Sex doesn't exist in disney.

Orly?

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honestly, i still don'ts ee how giving birth to a child is impossible in kh universe. and i think you all give this way more credit than you think.

it's fairly simple, but i guess you may all think too complex to even see it
 

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Okay, all I have to say is this...
YOU ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!


On the other hand, does that mean there is no sex in KH? Or does that just create to body, and has nothing to do with the Heart whatsoever? Also, I agree that the Heart is basically the DNA and Spirit in KH. Like you said, "SCREW GENETICS"!

As we see in BBS, a heart is given at birth. Possibly even before. Rather doubt it.


I remember that.

honestly, i still don'ts ee how giving birth to a child is impossible in kh universe. and i think you all give this way more credit than you think.

it's fairly simple, but i guess you may all think too complex to even see it

You give this far too little credit. Though I agree on the baby making thing is a bit excessive, you're just failing to grasp the true nature of this.

And if you can't see why it's awesome, then you obviously fail to grasp the point of this thread.
 

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maybe you give yourself too much credit. i know what your saying but i can't take it seriously.
 

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maybe you give yourself too much credit. i know what your saying but i can't take it seriously.

You understand? Your vague responses lead me to believe otherwise.

This was about what a heart was. I gave mostly a canon description based on what we see in games. It does that. It wasn't to impress you, but to give a better understanding. I do give myself credit. I think it's good, but I don't go around saying it's the best theory ever. So, that's two accounts you're wrong on.
 

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I thought it was good. A Heart's basically data it seems. I wonder if that relates to AtW putting data in Sora.
 
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