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from the scenes you showed, it looks like MX could carry kingdom hearts as a keyblade and turn into an orb, after that you see the orb shooting up in the air and releasing kingdom hearts, thats why teres that little bit of blue.

becuase he pretty much can .. how else do you explain it being there one minute .. and then not - as a result of him and his dark orb .. and no ...as i said - look closely and the core of the orb is blue .. the aura around the beam as its in the sky is blue .. and kingdom hearts is blue .. thats all

and stop with the insults

i cant help that your insulted .. i would just like to stop talking about blue and get back to master xehanort .. i feel like reposting my original most in a new thread purely so that pople dont have to read 40 irellevent posts about a color before the point of the thread is talked about again
 

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becuase he pretty much can .. how else do you explain it being there one minute .. and then not - as a result of him and his dark orb .. and no ...as i said - look closely and the core of the orb is blue .. the aura around the beam as its in the sky is blue .. and kingdom hearts is blue .. thats all



i cant help that your insulted .. i would just like to stop talking about blue and get back to master xehanort .. i feel like reposting my original most in a new thread purely so that pople dont have to read 40 irellevent posts about a color before the point of the thread is talked about again

no, you basically called me spam, thats about it,

anyways, the orb looked like it carried the kingdom hearts in it, and the purple or (darknesss) was like containing it,

the core of the orb is blue, aswell as kingdom hearts, so i assume kingdom hearts was in that orb and was released it (the second picture shows it being released from MX hands and on to the sky), it makes sense to me, alot of sense.

besides, kingdom hearts always shines light before it reveals darkness, that was explained in kingdom hearts 1.

so it could or most likely be light.

anyways, im just saying that light blue, could be the actual light of the kingdom hearts has.


you just assume just because one shade of blue means darkness (in some areas) doesnt mean all blue means darkness,


i know your tired of hearing that but your thread is all over it, the only reason why that orb had blue was because kingdom hearts was in it, thats the only thing that makes sense
 

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no, you basically called me spam, thats about it,

both of are because of what we are talking about

anyways, the orb looked like it carried the kingdom hearts in it, and the purple or (darknesss) was like containing it,

see thats where we conflict .. from my theory - i said that the kingdom hearts was made of darkness .. meaning that the core of the orb was in fact the darkness .. the purple is black aura seemed to be merely a shell to me (something that contained it) thats it .. not darkness itself .. all of this assuming that my theory is right

the core of the orb is blue, aswell as kingdom hearts, so i assume kingdom hearts was in that orb and was released it (the second picture shows it being released from MX hands and on to the sky), it makes sense to me, alot of sense.

thats my point .. so if the KH is darkness .. then so is the blue core in the orb ..

and idk if you noticed but thats what ive been saying from the beginning..??

besides, kingdom hearts always shines light before it reveals darkness, that was explained in kingdom hearts 1.
so it could or most likely be light.

or it could be the radiation or shine of the kingdom hearts ..
(radiation in the same sense of how the orb radiated light - purple light by the way)

anyways, im just saying that light blue, could be the actual light of the kingdom hearts has

and you could be right .. im simply saying that the kingdom hearts itself is made from darkness .. but given the nature of the orb - thats why i thought the blue represented darkness? ..

i do get what youer saying though .. and you could very well be right .. im not trying to play my theory off as facts .. merely support the ideas of it with details and things we know ..
 

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both of are because of what we are talking about



see thats where we conflict .. from my theory - i said that the kingdom hearts was made of darkness .. meaning that the core of the orb was in fact the darkness .. the purple is black aura seemed to be merely a shell to me (something that contained it) thats it .. not darkness itself .. all of this assuming that my theory is right



thats my point .. so if the KH is darkness .. then so is the blue core in the orb ..

and idk if you noticed but thats what ive been saying from the beginning..??



or it could be the radiation or shine of the kingdom hearts ..
(radiation in the same sense of how the orb radiated light - purple light by the way)



and you could be right .. im simply saying that the kingdom hearts itself is made from darkness .. but given the nature of the orb - thats why i thought the blue represented darkness? ..

i do get what youer saying though .. and you could very well be right .. im not trying to play my theory off as facts .. merely support the ideas of it with details and things we know ..

then why did argue with me? thats what i was saying after i agreed that darkness has some blue in it.

oh forget it, lets jsut say you win, and that way no one needs to say anything else
 
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then why did argue with me? thats what i was saying after i agreed that darkness has some blue in it.

becuase you never said that initially .. you disagreed and then agreed?

oh forget it, lets jsut say you win, and that way no one needs to say anything else

im sorry if im pissing you off .. im just trying to get you to understand what i mean
 

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becuase you never said that initially .. you disagreed and then agreed?



im sorry if im pissing you off .. im just trying to get you to understand what i mean

its not that i disagreed and agreed, its that we both misunderstand, so i just agreed to end it.

ur not pissing me off, im jsut getting tired, if you want me to understand what you mean, you got ot do the same for me
 

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its not that i disagreed and agreed, its that we both misunderstand, so i just agreed to end it.

ur not pissing me off, im jsut getting tired, if you want me to understand what you mean, you got ot do the same for me

ive been trying to .. its rather difficult though because of the way you convey your ideass ..
 

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ive been trying to .. its rather difficult though because of the way you convey your ideass ..

same for you, you show me very few scenes to prove it represents the big picture, and than i keep saying blue doesnt

(and i also said maybe dark blue could represent darkness at the very beginning of that argument, so really you fought with me for no reason)

and also you assume alot of things that i say and always throw me off, instead you should be more clear on what you think im trying to say.
 

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same for you, you show me very few scenes to prove it represents the big picture, and than i keep saying blue doesnt

(and i also said maybe dark blue could represent darkness at the very beginning of that argument, so really you fought with me for no reason)

and also you assume alot of things that i say and always throw me off, instead you should be more clear on what you think im trying to say.

well when i ask you to explain it when i dont understand .. you confuse my even more

but regardless .. can i have your opinion on the REST of the thread about MX .. if youve even had the time to read it through all the arguing
 

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well when i ask you to explain it when i dont understand .. you confuse my even more

but regardless .. can i have your opinion on the REST of the thread about MX .. if youve even had the time to read it through all the arguing

i did, you just make it really complicated.

anyways i agree with the thread in some areas, but the darkness is something ill look into.

as for you, i think you should really try to make every argument as big, even though you can say you win or forget this, (which i have been trying to do) so if you want to say more, i think u can PM me instead.
 
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i did, you just make it really complicated.

anyways i agree with the thread in some areas, but the darkness is something ill look into.

as for you, i think you should really try to make every argument as big, even though you can say you win or forget this, (which i have been trying to do) so if you want to say more, i think u can PM me instead.

well i PM'd you to try and resolve this







ANYWAY .. i hope that argument hadnt prevented other people from posting .. please give your opinions on the subject of MX and my thoughts ..
 

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"But why would Terra choose to use the power of darkness in the first place - it makes no sense to betray his friends and mission for no reason?? .. so perhaps it is actually MASTER XEHANORT controlling and manipulating the darkness within Terra that causes him to upset Aqua and Ven -"

^^well i dont think terra used the darkness for evil like with Riku he didnt use it for evil in kh2 and CoM. terra probably used it to save Ven like in one of the quotes 'this power i use for my friends!'
 

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"But why would Terra choose to use the power of darkness in the first place - it makes no sense to betray his friends and mission for no reason?? .. so perhaps it is actually MASTER XEHANORT controlling and manipulating the darkness within Terra that causes him to upset Aqua and Ven -"

^^well i dont think terra used the darkness for evil like with Riku he didnt use it for evil in kh2 and CoM. terra probably used it to save Ven like in one of the quotes 'this power i use for my friends!'

while that quote may or may not prove to be the truth .. it still doesnt explain why aqua and ven are so upset by him using the powers to begin with - perhaps terra said that to let MX know that he wont be controlled anymore and will use the power for good - i mean seeing as how terra seems to be a good person and because of his role in the game .. i would be more inclined to think it is because of MX's manipulation that terra upsets aqua and ven to begin with .. whether or not terra means to - and regardless of whether or not his situation is like that of Riku
 
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Hm... There are alot of good ideas in the initial post.
'Master Xehanort having power to manipulate darkness'
can be applied to explain multiple mysteries in BBS.
I personally have different thoughts on the orb and KH
but I see how the ideas presented in this thread make
sense and are quite possible.

And yes, darkness is associated with both light
and dark blue.
 

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Hm... There are alot of good ideas in the initial post.
'Master Xehanort having power to manipulate darkness'
can be applied to explain multiple mysteries in BBS.
I personally have different thoughts on the orb and KH
but I see how the ideas presented in this thread make
sense and are quite possible.

And yes, darkness is associated with both light
and dark blue.

thank you ..

mind sharing your ideas about the orb and KH tho by any chance?? ..not too many people seem to focus on it or talk about .. and as far as i know - im really the only person to make such a detailed attempt to explain everything? .. if you have ideas tho - please share ... i'm all ears ..
 
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Well based of my observations, I have surmised
this odd belief:

You notice how the Princesses of Heart
have hearts shaped like spheres of light
compared to the normal concept of hearts
being heart-shaped... Well the orb reminds
me of those hearts, so I think it's a special
heart as well. Specifically I think it's Kingdom
Hearts itself, the real Kingdom Hearts maybe.

And when the Keyblade disappears from
Master Xehanort's hands, a light from
the blade retracts into the center of the
orb when it appears. I think that Master
Xehanort's Keyblade is composed of
the heart of Kingdom Hearts like how
the Dark Key was composed of the
six special hearts of the Princesses of
Heart. (Even though, unlike the Dark
Key, Master Xehanort's Keyblade has
a Keychain)

I admit though, it would be kind of
weird if Master Xehanort already
possessed the real Kingdom Hearts,
and had forged it into his Keyblade.
However, it would be a pretty powerful
image if it turned out Master Xehanort
was holding the heart of all worlds
in the palm of his hands.
 
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You notice how the Princesses of Heart
have hearts shaped like spheres of light
compared to the normal concept of hearts
being heart-shaped... Well the orb reminds
me of those hearts, so I think it's a special
heart as well. Specifically I think it's Kingdom
Hearts itself, the real Kingdom Hearts maybe.

thats an interesting idea, however im not so inclined to think that he is able control the heart of all worlds ..i mean hes undoubtably powerful .. but i dont think hes THAT powerful - especially enough to conrtol it within an orb that fits into the palm of his hand

youre entitled to your opinion .. but i think it'd be much more likely that its an artifial kingdom hearts created by himself ..

And when the Keyblade disappears from
Master Xehanort's hands, a light from
the blade retracts into the center of the
orb when it appears. I think that Master
Xehanort's Keyblade is composed of
the heart of Kingdom Hearts like how
the Dark Key was composed of the
six special hearts of the Princesses of
Heart. (Even though, unlike the Dark
Key, Master Xehanort's Keyblade has
a Keychain)

thats interesting as well .. youre right about the dark key coming from the PoH
but idk - im not so inclined to think that the heart of all worlds would again be so easily controlled ..
becoming a keyblade seems like a possibility tho ..

I admit though, it would be kind of
weird if Master Xehanort already
possessed the real Kingdom Hearts,
and had forged it into his Keyblade.
However, it would be a pretty powerful
image if it turned out Master Xehanort
was holding the heart of all worlds
in the palm of his hands.

yeah thats my point ..he wouldve firstly had to find it .. and then harness its power .. which to be honest i dont think can be done (if you remember - AtW failed to do it with his machine) .. and darkness or not - i dont feel that any one person could conrtol the heart of all worlds .. carry it around like a cellphone (lol sorry for the joke) .. and then manifest its heart into a keyblade ..

i think that this would be possible if he asble to do what ive suggested tho - as in creating an artificial kingdom hearts using his OWN dark powers .. and with those powers his can create his keyblade, and control the KH (keeping it within the orb, keyblade, or kimself .. whatever the case may be) .. which i think i said in my original post haha .. but again - interesting ..
 
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it seems pretty obvious given the appearance of his keyblade, the DS emerging from within him, the dark aura he shoots through ven .. and the above ^^ that Master Xehanort can definitely use the power of darkness .. and its strength within him is most likely far superior than any other enemy we've been introduced to thus far ..

Most likely, except DS splitting from MX is most likely symbolism...

this orb,as we know, manifests into a beautiful, radiant, and big blue KH - but a kingdom hearts of what exactly? now i have an idea ..but what im going to say is going to seem pretty far "out-there".. its just a simple suggestion though.. so bare with me

I wouldn't say we know that it becomes KH, as it could just as easily be summoning it...

I think that MX may be able to control and manipulate the darkness within a person's heart

I don't know... =/
It's possible, but if anything, I think he would have to do it manually, similar to how Xehanort collapsed the hearts of his subjects...


..but let me explain - we know that every single person HAS darkness within them (aside from the PoH - however i'll focus on them later) .. to answer my above question tho, I think that "his" kingdom hearts may be one created purely from the darkness within people's hearts

Except then it lacks what makes Kingdom Hearts Kingdom Hearts: hearts...
If it's composed of just the darkness from people's hearts, it'd be a Kingdom Darkness, not hearts... =/


..looking at the picture above - if you focus on the very center of the orb ..you will see a small circle of blue that is much brighter than the blue surrounding it (should be very striking - almost an "aqua" or "electric" blue) .. after creating the orb - MX then sends it into the sky ..(below)

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.. if you notice - there is a blue aura surrounding the beam as it rises as well.. and it is after this point where the orb/beam then gives way to become a BLUE kingdom hearts ..(below)

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this blue color is found in each of the stages shown and if you have a hard time noticing it .. then look here
YouTube - Kingdom Hearts 3 full extended trailer [High Quality]
(I HIGHLY ADVISE WATCHING AS SOLID PROOF BEFORE CONTINUING!!) <- due to my pictures not providing the best view ...regardless though - this is the highest quality version of the secret ending i could find - but if you were to fast-forward to 4:24 in .. and watch from there until 4:40 ..it is VERY easy to notice the distinction of the electric blue color inside the orb, surrounding the beam, and obviously the color of the kingdom hearts itself..

i stress this to show that i believe that as its within the orb.. this small electric blue core is housing the darkness extracted/collected/stolen or whatever, from people's hearts .. that as the beam is rising, the darkness is being released (blue on the outside) .. and the darkness then forms Master Xehanort's artificial Kingdom Hearts ...

Like I said, without hearts, it really wouldn't be Kingdom Hearts...

I would say that it is because of his strength/experience with the power darkness (as in having used it for a long time) ..his experimental nature and/or research of both the heart and darkness (which i assume he has done given his appearance and mannerisms - im sure im not alone in thinking he is some form of a scientist??) .. and a willing submission to darkness and eagerness to USE it that Master Xehanort ultimately has the power to control and/or extract darkness from within another person ..so basically - he's got astronomical control and power when it comes to darkness ..which allows him to be able to be one bad-ass mofo ..

As I said before, I don't know about MX being able to just pluck the darkness from someone's heart...

My reason for believing that Master Xehanort would even bother in attempting to extract darkness from people or control it .. is to get more of what villain's or powerful people always want - MORE POWER ..

Exactly...

thinking about it logically .. if he discovers that among his powers brought to him by darkness - is the ability to control that darkness itself .. then what he would want to do is gather as much of that darkness up as possible to use for himself - with it hed be invincible.. hence he creates his artificial kingdom hearts with darkness he collects ..

Like I said... =d

- There is also evidence to suggest that Terra can use the power of darkness as well ..(i made a whole thread about this by the way) .. but there is his eyes changing color in the FM+ secret ending among other things .. and think what you may of this .. but the important point is that even if he doesnt use darkness - Aqua and Ven have been brought to think that he DOES..

Well, since it has been said that those with yellow eyes are close to darkness, I'm sure he does...
If I had to guess, I'd say his Fatal Mode is closely connected to that darkness...


maleficent tells Ven something regarding this that get's him upset and then makes aqua say that "Terra isnt like that" ..and maleficent also makes aqua question whether Terra does too ..But why would Terra choose to use the power of darkness in the first place - it makes no sense to betray his friends and mission for no reason?? .. so perhaps it is actually MASTER XEHANORT controlling and manipulating the darkness within Terra that causes him to upset Aqua and Ven - which he may want to happen in order to reduce their chances of stopping him ...

Hmm... I don't know about manipulating, but I have always thought MX gave Terra the power of darkness (his mistake?)...

- I can't pretend to know the origins or nature of the DS .. or his/its connection to MX - however, i can use this theory to speculate ...this will sound very extreme or unlikely .. but PERHAPPPSS the DS is merely a manifestation of the darkness that MX has collected and controls from within his KH, possibly even from the darkness in MX's own heart (a dark entity regardless).. and acts as a guardian of darkness for him, if you will

I suppose it's possible, but I'm still thinking he's an unbirth...

- I think this would explain why the DS comes from within MX himself, why he has the armor similar to Riku's (which we know comes from darkness) ..

Like I said at the begining, DS coming from within MX is most likely symbolism...

and his keyblade (from darkness as well) ..my thought is that MX simply uses his power over the darkness to manifest into a physical from ..seems unlikely i know - but i could be possible, and again - there really isnt much to disprove it?

Well, there's nothing to dis/prove it...
But, like you said, it could be possible, but I doubt it's very likely...


Thats all ive managed to write down at the moment .. i do not claim to think they are facts or will come to be .. i merely had some ideas - and used what i know to try and support them as best i could .. like or not there yah have it .. i hope you could understand it and found it well supported .. and i thank you for your time ..im sorry for the length but again, please bare in mind that this took much thought, typing, time, and effort to make - a little respect would be nice so im asking to please keep posts relievent to the topic and only post if you've read the whole thing ..

All in all, not much can be proven or disproven, though logic does point out the unlikeliness of some things...
 
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