20 KH Mysteries Solved! Sort of.

[Genocide]

The entire quote doesn't even make sense if you take it literally.

Umm Riku in the novel.

Really.
You know what?
I don't care anymore. You can have this debate.
You just proved one of my old theories further correct.

Arigatou.

 

[Relix]

So why can the same not be said for Kairi Riku's staement in the novel was "I think this keyblade BELONGS to you."

Sora's keyblade dissapears all the time the only difference is that we did not see it her summon back. And yet you are suddenly assuming that it went back to Riku with no proof. And why is there no scene showign Kairi giving back the keyblade to Riku?

Once again NOT showing fear=/= not having it. Why should the fact that the ORG. was stronger then her matter??? Sora AND Riku were fighting them why would something like fear suddenly stop her from helping her considering she jumped of a balcony and stood down shadows even before obtaining the keyblade.

Thank you for finnaly admitting you have no proof of your claims.

STILL does not change the fact that it was not his throughout the majority of the game yet he summoned it6 just like any other keyblade.

I don't follow. That was the IKK a keyblade he Found not Summoned. The fact that WE don't know who the owner is does not mean its not its Mickey's keyblade.

Show me something that says "NOOOOOO SHE'S NOT A REAL WIELDER SHE JUST A POETENTIAL WIELDER!!!!!!"

IKK is the keyblade of Mickey. He summons it, he wields it, it chose him, it belongs to him it is his, thus he is a wielder. Sora used Riku's keyblade but by the end of KH1 this keyblade became his and he has been the wielder of it since. Riku has his own keyblade and one appeared to him when he got "memories of home" and he gave this to Kairi to borrow so she may defend herself. She was able to wield it, doesn't mean Riku gave it to her to keep. Nothing proves otherwise so there is no reason to suspect such when it is more implied that Kairi does not have this keyblade under her command. End of effin story. This is not stubborness anymore...it is border line ignorance. I really respected this guy from other threads...oh well

 

[Noctis2.0]

IKK is the blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball of Mickey. He summons it, he wields it, it chose him, it belongs to him it is his, thus he is a wielder. Sora used Riku's blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball but by the end of KH1 this blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball became his and he has been the wielder of it since. Riku has his own blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball and one appeared to him when he got "memories of home" and he gave this to Kairi to borrow so she may defend herself. She was able to wield it, doesn't mean Riku gave it to her to keep. Nothing proves otherwise so there is no reason to suspect such when it is more implied that Kairi does not have this blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball under her command. End of effin story. This is not stubborness anymore...it is border line ignorance. I really respected this guy from other threads...oh well

And nothing suggest he took it away either. Actually there is. Mickey summoned the starseeker like it was his own. And my point is Mickey went to the ROD to find the blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball the blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball did not GO to him and it seems what everyone is implying is that you must EARN a blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball before you can become a wielder, but that is clearly not the case.

 

[Relix]

And nothing suggest he took it away either. Actually there is. Mickey summoned the starseeker like it was his own. And my point is Mickey went to the ROD to find the blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball the blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball did not GO to him and it seems what everyone is implying is that you must EARN a blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball before you can become a wielder, but that is clearly not the case.

Mickey already earned his blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball, before the events of BBS. It took the form of Star Seeker. He ventured into ROD and then the blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball he found there IKK choice Mickey and thus HIS blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball took the form of the IKK. Sora has one blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball but it takes different forms, no? Roxas in the final part of Days had two kingdom keys that turned into Oathkeeper and Oblivion, no? Are you saying Sora has 13+ physical blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballs that he keeps in his pocket? Are you saying Roxas has four physical blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballs, oh wait no because he had those slot blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballs too, so he had 10 + blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballs in his ass? No it is there ONE or TWO blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballs taking different forms. Mickey already HAD HIS EFFIN blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball and it took the form of IKK when he found it in RoD. Kairi has yet to earn her effin blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball thus SHE IS NOT A WIELDER!! CASE EFFIN CLOSED! Damn it...

The current characters already earned the keys man, it takes different forms. Kairi has yet to EARN anything. Riku gave her one of HIS earned keysfor her to use. She did not earn that, it's Riku's. All the blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball wielders wielding at the moment have earned their keys, Kairi not having earned her key yet can not be called a wielder now can she, potential, POTENTIAL, wielder yes, is one NOW? Nooo.

 

[Noctis2.0]

Mickey already earned his blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball, before the events of BBS. It took the form of Star Seeker. He ventured into ROD and then the blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball he found there IKK choice Mickey and thus HIS blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball took the form of the IKK. Sora has one blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball but it takes different forms, no? Roxas in the final part of Days had two kingdom keys that turned into Oathkeeper and Oblivion, no? Are you saying Sora has 13+ physical blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballs that he keeps in his pocket? Are you saying Roxas has four physical blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballs, oh wait no because he had those slot blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballs too, so he had 10 + blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballs in his ass? No it is there ONE or TWO blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballs taking different forms. Mickey already HAD HIS EFFIN blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball and it took the form of IKK when he found it in RoD. Kairi has yet to earn her effin blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball thus SHE IS NOT A WIELDER!! CASE EFFIN CLOSED! Damn it...

The current characters already earned the keys man, it takes different forms. Kairi has yet to EARN anything. Riku gave her one of HIS earned keysfor her to use. She did not earn that, it's Riku's. All the blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball wielders wielding at the moment have earned their keys, Kairi not having earned her key yet can not be called a wielder now can she, potential, POTENTIAL, wielder yes, is one NOW? Nooo.

Since the majority of this post was blitzball I'm not going to respond yet.

 

[the barfman]

But wouldn't that mean the blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballs of blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballs have effected everyone and not just MX's blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball but im guessing that blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballless caused everything.

 

[Insomniac]

and i'm tired of you being a stubborn bastard going on this board dismissing almost every FACT that has been said to you.

shit. i hate people like that. denying every single fucking thing in a debate. jesus christ.

AND u continue to go on into this discussion and yet u never bothered to answer on why i think and most other ppl think the IKK IS MICKEY'S

"BULLSHIT.
NOMURA SAID THAT THERE ARE 4 DIFFERENT TYPE OF blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballS. A "MAIN" blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball FOR EACH REALM. THE REALM OF blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball. THE REALM OF blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball. THE REALM OF TWIblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball AND SOME OTHER 1 THAT I DONT CARE ABOUT AT THE MOMENT.

guess what blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball is for the realm of blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball?
THE KINGDOM KEY.
its the same shit. if sora went to look for the kingdom key in the realm of blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball does that mean its not HIS blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball? BULL. the fact that the IKK STOOD within mickey and didnt leave him and "obeyed" him and basically mickey summoning it shows us he is the wielder for the IKK. just cuz mickey had to go and pick 1 up doesnt mean its not his blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball. as i said. the kingdom key is for the realm of blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball. maybe the IKK would've picked him? WHO KNOWS. THE FACT THAT IS THE IKK DID NOT RESIST THEREFORE ITS HIS blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball. PERIOD.

u have ur confirmation that its mickeys blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball."

Actually there are only 2 sides that the blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball resides with, blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball or blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball. There are no Twiblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball Realm blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballs.

blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballs have 2 different constitutions, either from the blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball side or the Dark side. This is merely the exterior key. The inner key can act from either side and its abilities won’t change. There is no clear division between Good and Evil. Usually the door to each world is closed and the Keyhole itself is not visible. By bringing a blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball nearby, the Keyhole appears. But the lock is not actually closed itself. Indeed, the blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballless were able to find the door, easily open it and in this way steal blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballs. In the previous game, Sora turned the locks and closed these doors. Furthermore, about the opened door of the integrated blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball of worlds “Kingdom blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballs” itself, to prevent the outflow of the blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball within blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballs, the intent and reasons were different so the blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball was used for a different purpose. In order to work, the door needs to be closed from both the Dark side and the blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball side and both a Dark and blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball realm blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball are needed. The King needed a blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball opposite from the realm of blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball that Sora had, so he went to the realm of blitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzballblitzball to obtain one.

 

[Relix]

Since the majority of this post was blitzball I'm not going to respond yet.

And yet he still fails to reply to the last part that barely has any blitzball in it but still owns the crap out of Kairi's keyblade theory.

 

[Samhain]

And yet he still fails to reply to the last part that barely has any blitzball in it but still owns the crap out of Kairi's keyblade theory.

noctis is a stupid stubborn bastard who needs to shut the hell up and deals with facts. i completely dismissed everything he said and knowing how he ignored it just to make his ego larger den it already is he has nothing to say.

HE'S WRONG. we're right. dumb ass can't face the facts. poor kid living in denying.

 

[the barfman]

Wait is the blitzball thing gone?

 

[loke13]

noctis is a stupid stubborn bastard who needs to shut the hell up and deals with facts. i completely dismissed everything he said and knowing how he ignored it just to make his ego larger den it already is he has nothing to say.

HE'S WRONG. we're right. dumb ass can't face the facts. poor kid living in denying.

Very mature.

Weren't you one of the people who said Kairi wasn't a wielder? Hmmmm there someone living in denial alright but it sure isn't Noctis.

Here are the facts Kairi can use the keyblade= Kairi is a wielder. Done and done. There hasn't been one instance were somone has used the keyblade and not been a wielder and if you so much as bring up Leon or Jack I will fly through your computer screen and knock you upside the head. THEY DID NOT USE THE KEYBLADE. Get over it Kairi haters you've lost.

 

[Lonbilly]

Weren't you one of the people who said Kairi wasn't a wielder?

Except she wasn't a wielder then. She still isn't now. She's a Potential Wielder who will probably become an Official Wielder later on.

Hmmmm there someone living in denial alright but it sure isn't Noctis.

Actually I'd say it might be you and Noctis, but more Noctis.

Here are the facts Kairi can use the keyblade= Kairi is a wielder.

Using the Keyblade doesn't make you an official wielder. You actually have to be able to have a Keyblade. Kairi, at this point, does not. She borrowed Riku's, and then it disappears. It could be with her, but nothing's supporting that while KH2 supports it just disappeared, Kairi couldn't bring it back, and that it wasn't really her's since she was never seen with it again.

It could end up being her's, but nothing flat out says it's her's. There's more saying it wasn't and that it went back to where it belonged than staying with Kairi.

There hasn't been one instance were somone has used the keyblade and not been a wielder

See: Sora in KH1.

Until the evnt in Hollow Bastion, he was literally just the delivery boy. At that point it was always Riku's Keyblade. He was a Potential, and became an Official.

Get over it Kairi haters you've lost.

Because only the Kairi haters are the only one's saying this, yep.
[/sarcasm]

I'm sure there's Kairi fans or even neutral people (who aren't stubborn and close-minded) who would agree, because it's the truth. Nothing says she's an Official yet, and nothing says she has her own keyblade. All the evidence points otherwise.

 

[loke13]

Using the Keyblade doesn't make you an official wielder. You actually have to be able to have a Keyblade. Kairi, at this point, does not. She borrowed Riku's, and then it disappears. It could be with her, but nothing's supporting that while KH2 supports it just disappeared, Kairi couldn't bring it back, and that it wasn't really her's since she was never seen with it again.

It could end up being her's, but nothing flat out says it's her's. There's more saying it wasn't and that it went back to where it belonged than staying with Kairi.
.

This^ an article, an interview, a cutscene, anything thing to back this up besides pure speculation.

 

[Penance]

Kairi never summoned a keyblade.

 

[loke13]

Kairi never summoned a keyblade.

show me an interview or cutscene that proves that makes her not a wielder.

 

[Penance]

show me an interview or cutscene that proves that makes her not a wielder.

Boy this is America.

Kairi never summoned a keyblade. Use your eyes.

Riku summoned his.
Sora summoned his.
Mickey summoned his.
Kairi did not summon the keyblade she used.

 

[Relix]

show me an interview or cutscene that proves that makes her not a wielder.

Kairi is not able to summon a keyblade...she is able to use one. This makes her a potential wielder meaning she may wield HER OWN keyblade someday. Riku was able to use the keyblade Sora was carrying around in KH1 and was able to hold Xion's in Days. Did he have a keyblade of his own, no, he was wielding Soul Eater. He had the potential/ability to use one but he didn't wield/summon/pull one out of his own ass himself, thus = not a wielder of a keyblade. Riku attains his own keyblade Way to Dawn, thus giving him WIELDER status. Before the moment we saw Riku with Way to Dawn did we consider him a wielder? no, because he was hacking around Soul Eater. Kairi not having a keyblade of her own but being able to do what Riku did in KH1 and Days, hold a keyblade/use one, puts her in the same boat Riku was prior to KH2, potential user but not wielding one herself. If you can hold a 200 pound dumbell your friend has, you can pick it up but you're not the owner until you have one yourself if that makes anything easier for you to understand. How can you not see this?

 

[loke13]

Kairi is not able to summon a keyblade...she is able to use one. This makes her a potential wielder meaning she may wield HER OWN keyblade someday. Riku was able to use the keyblade Sora was carrying around in KH1 and was able to hold Xion's in Days. Did he have a keyblade of his own, no, he was wielding Soul Eater. He had the potential/ability to use one but he didn't wield/summon/pull one out of his own ass himself, thus = not a wielder of a keyblade. Riku attains his own keyblade Way to Dawn, thus giving him WIELDER status. Before the moment we saw Riku with Way to Dawn did we consider him a wielder? no, because he was hacking around Soul Eater. Kairi not having a keyblade of her own but being able to do what Riku did in KH1 and Days, hold a keyblade/use one, puts her in the same boat Riku was prior to KH2, potential user but not wielding one herself. If you can hold a 200 pound dumbell your friend has, you can pick it up but you're not the owner until you have one yourself if that makes anything easier for you to understand. How can you not see this?

Its funny the new phrases people who can't accept the truth come up with, "POTENTIAL WIELDER" lol.

If you have the ability to wield the keyblade but don't have your own A.K.A mickey in BBS you are still considered a keyblade wielder."Kairi can not summon the keyblade" How do you know? Did you see the keyblade go back to Riku? You can not say she can't summon just like I can't say she can we don't have enough evidence to prove either side right.

Boy this is America.

Thats nice.

Kairi never summoned a keyblade. Use your eyes.

Riku summoned his.
Sora summoned his.
Mickey summoned his.
Kairi did not summon the keyblade she used.

So I take it you didn't find anything.

 

[State]

Kairi's a wielder. Confirmed by Tetsuya Nomura, Director of the series himself. End. Of. Discussion.
And yes, loke, you were right, Kairi IS a wielder.

 

[loke13]

Kairi's a wielder. Confirmed by Tetsuya Nomura, Director of the series himself. End. Of. Discussion.
And yes, loke, you were right, Kairi IS a wielder.

Ok i'll stop now.s1britishguy