2 Ventus'?

[Oathkeeper39]

ok wait.. we learn in bbs that vens heart is in sora so when sora released his heart to save kairi's he released vens creating roxas. so if roxas is actually ven does that means theres 2 vens now? cause the real ventus is still sleeping CO.. im confused X_X

 

[Vani]

roxas isnt neccesarily ven. hes made out of soras body and soul but most likely has vens heart. but if your going off looks then yes there are two vens.

 

[Ehres]

In the future, please post all spoiler threads in the spoiler section.

As Vanitas97 said, Roxas isn't necessarily Ven; Sora shared Ven's heart, which is why Roxas is identical to Ven. Roxas then returned to Sora, so in KH3 when Sora saves Ven, there will be Ven and only Ven unless Sora saves Roxas, too, but I don't know how they're going to do that unless Roxas is a true Nobody in the sense he has no heart.

But, no, Roxas isn't Ven. Identical face, completely different personality.

 

[Oathkeeper39]

ok thanks Soluus for explaining that and sorry ill remember to post these kinds of things in the spoiler section next time

 

[Goldpanner]

I think this is the best explanation I've seen:

First, the easier of the two: Roxas.
As has been stated in the Ansem Reports, I believe that Roxas is more of a conventional Nobody. He is Sora’s body and soul. This makes the most sense.

But a not-so-unexpected twist was revealed in Birth by Sleep: Ven’s fractured heart dwells within Sora. Now, I’ve seen some looming tension in the Spoilers section. Some believe that Roxas has Ven’s heart, others believe that it still rests with Sora’s, and Roxas is simply using it remotely.

With which side do I ally myself? Those who say he has Ven’s heart. My reasoning is twofold:

1. Look at the effect the Heart Unlocker had on Kairi’s heart. It separated her heart from Sora’s. Why would it not do the same with Ven’s heart? But, remember, the Heart Unlocker doesn’t necessarily release hearts, it activates their potential (just look at Maleficent). For Kairi’s heart, this meant separating from Sora’s heart and returning to her body. But Sora’s heart was kicked out and consumed by darkness. Why? Because of the effect it had on Ven’s heart. While Ven’s heart remained dormant in Sora over the years, the Heart Unlocker allowed it to be activated, so to speak, through Roxas, which effectively pushed Sora’s heart out.

2. Note Roxas’ appearance. He looks exactly like Ven. Why? Well, it wouldn’t make much sense if he only had Sora’s body and soul. Sure, he might be remotely accessing Ven’s heart, but in that case, wouldn’t he look more like a mix between Sora and Ven, as opposed to completely like Ven? My recent exposition on the heart asserts that an active heart dictates the appearance of a vessel. Hence, with Ven’s heart within Roxas, he assumes the identity of Ven. And remember, Nomura said that both Sora and Ven are Roxas’ “original selves.” If Roxas didn’t have Ven’s heart, how could Ven be considered one of Roxas’ original selves?

That to me, is a pretty open and shut case, though for many of you it isn’t. I know what you’re thinking. How is Roxas still a Nobody when he has a heart?
The answer is pretty simple. It’s not a whole heart.

Could Ven sustain himself on a fragment of a heart? Obviously not. So, to be a truly complete being you need, no surprise, a complete heart. Roxas was able to function with only a piece of a heart unlike Ven because, as a Nobody, he doesn’t need a heart to function in the first place. It’s supplementary, but not enough for us to regard him as complete. I suppose you could argue that with a fraction of a heart he could almost be seen as a Nobody/whole being hybrid, but that’s taking it a bit far. I believe completeness follows the all-or-none principle. You either have it or you don’t.

 

[rac7d]

wasnt it confirmed that roxas is his own pwesona and that sor in fact does have hhim xion, and ventus inside
so this whole free them from there torment thing will clear up things like this