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The fact that Luxu doesn’t recognize him and questions who he is, is also telling that he clearly wasn’t anywhere involved with the war or the Dandelions, at least, not directly.
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Or changed his name and face just like Luxu did, but without eachother knowing. But if the JP voice matches then yeah I'll agree there must be a connection with the bus driver.The fact that Luxu doesn’t recognize him and questions who he is, is also telling that he clearly wasn’t anywhere involved with the war or the Dandelions, at least, not directly.
Limousine, that or an Audi…Or changed his name and face just like Luxu did, but without eachother knowing. But if the JP voice matches then yeah I'll agree there must be a connection with the bus driver.
Sorry for bumping this thread but i felt i had to set the record straight. The leak was fake.When Final Fantasy XV got released in 2017, people were shocked that it was nothing like Versus XIII trailers. Actually not a single frame of any trailer released before 2017 is part of the main game. Naturally, some rumors started to appear related to the story who got completely rewritten when Nomura got replaced and they were running out of time.
Among some rumors, I remember reading a thread about an unconfirmed leak that was explaining what the story of Versus XIII was about. And of course, I thought that it would be interesting to put it in perspective with Verum Rex and how it relates to Sora.
Of course, none of it is official, probably false, but still, let's have some fun reviewing those key plots.
Spoiler warning for a game that never existed: VersusXIII
- Stella was supposed to appear only to Noctis. She was supposed to be a ghost which visited Noctis from the afterlife. The crystal commanded Noctis to kill her when they were children.
- The brother of Stella was named Lupus Nox Fleuret and was supposed to be another chosen from the crystal.
- Prompto and Gladio were supposed to betray Noctis.
- The story was supposed to explore the world of dreams. Not sure what this means except that Noctis had issues understanding what is real and what is a dream. That was the main focus of the story and Nomura favorite plot element. My guess is that this concept will be reused in Verum Rex (actually it is already reused).
Did you hear other rumors like that? What do you think about it?
Thanks for the info. Even if all of the dream stuff is fake, it's weird to see that the cancelled dlc of noctis was supposed to be about his dream inside the crystal. Maybe that's why people thought it would be the most versus13 callback of them all.Sorry for bumping this thread but i felt i had to set the record straight. The leak was fake.
For one Stella was not dead, SE released Roberto Ferrari's storyboard from 2013 when it was still being directed by Nomura.
Stella was alive, interacted with other characters, and shown speaking to Noctis through her mobile phone. Ghosts can't do that.
She was also shown to be injured and bleeding wearing her Versus XIII outfit (not the formal white party dress). Ghosts don't bleed.
"Lupus Nox Flueret" was a name found inside the files of FFXV, the "leaker" probably saw the datamine and took it from there.
The scene of Ravus (possibly named Lupus back then) where he fights Noctis inside the crystal/throne room was also still in.
The dream stuff, the "leaker" most likely got inspired by DDD, he most likely assumed that it would be believable because Nomura had already done a similar thing with KH.
That "leak" also talks about Gentiana, he fucked up. Her role in Versus XIII was nothing like what he described. Roberto Ferrari who said he had read the entirety of the Versus XIII script, described Gentiana's role and his storyboard from 2013 completely supports his claim. Gentiana was a Tenebrae general, Stella's guardian and acted as a messenger between Tenebrae and Insomnia.
I could go on but there is no point, it's obvious that the "leaker" wasn't aware of Roberto Ferrari's facebook posts (most likely because they were written in Italian) and hadn't seen the old storyboard released by SE.
Edit: I should also note that "Lupus" (wolf) most like WAS his name. Back in Versus all nations had their very own Summon representing them (something XVI does now too). For example Insomnia had Odin (although his design was not the typical Odin design, he was half horse half a skeleton knight and his head was similar to Lucis emblem before XV censored and changed it to the shape of the capital), for Nifelheim it was Bahamut. Tenebrae most likely had Fenrir as its summon since Ravus' outfit had the design of a purple wolf on it (much like Nifelheim had the design of a red dragon on their clothes and flags). The purple wolf in Ravus' outfit was replaced with a blue unicorn in XV.
The dream inside the crystal if you read the novel, is all about the original versus xiii timeline as it begins with Noctis fighting the imperials on the stairs of Insomnia just like the Versus XIII announcement 2006 trailer. In the novel Noctis while dreaming also keeps commenting on how familiar all this is to him, as if a version of himself really did experience all that. This is most likely alluding to the "alternate universe" concept that XV's DLCs had going for them (like Ignis alternate ending) more than the "dream" concept of the leak. It was just the developers trying to give players more of the cut Versus concepts through the mechanic of dreaming inside the crystal. The Versus XIII outfit DLC added in Dissidia is also named "Garb from another world" in Japanese and "otherworldly garb" in English, as if to suggest that Versus XIII is an alternate universe of FFXV.Thanks for the info. Even if all of the dream stuff is fake, it's weird to see that the cancelled dlc of noctis was supposed to be about his dream inside the crystal. Maybe that's why people thought it would be the most versus13 callback of them all.
You seem to know a lot about the history of the project. If Verum Rex ever comes a reality, it would be very instructive to talk to you to compare what is reused and what is a new concept.The dream inside the crystal if you read the novel, is all about the original versus xiii timeline as it begins with Noctis fighting the imperials on the stairs of Insomnia just like the Versus XIII announcement 2006 trailer. In the novel Noctis while dreaming also keeps commenting on how familiar all this is to him, as if a version of himself really did experience all that. This is most likely alluding to the "alternate universe" concept that XV's DLCs had going for them (like Ignis alternate ending) more than the "dream" concept of the leak. It was just the developers trying to give players more of the cut Versus concepts through the mechanic of dreaming inside the crystal. The Versus XIII outfit DLC added in Dissidia is also named "Garb from another world" in Japanese and "otherworldly garb" in English, as if to suggest that Versus XIII is an alternate universe of FFXV.
None of the DLCs were directed by Tabata, who going by his interviews and the content he cut from the base game, seemed to hate anything to do with Versus and tried to distance XV from Versus as much as possible. Most of the DLCs tried to bring back Versus concepts one way or another, even Armiger unleashed brings back a ton of cut animations from 2013 gameplay trailer and even adds in animations shown in the Versus XIII 2006 trailer.
Even Episode Ardyn contradicts the base game directed by Tabata. For example in the base game Ardyn says that "You'll never guess whos name "Izunia" was" subtly implying that Izunia was probably the name of the people who usurped his throne (aka Noctis true family name). In Episode Ardyn which was not directed by Tabata, the team completely retconned this and stated that the Izunia name was a random name of no importance that he got after becoming an imperial citizen, bringing back the drama and tragedy of Ardyn being betrayed by his own brother instead of some other family.
To me it seems like the devs really wanted to show people a glimpse of Versus XIII, as if the game the devs wanted to make was Versus instead of XV. Using the crystal to show Noctis dreams of an alternate reality was just their way of doing it without completely breaking the story of base XV imo.
They had done this in the past too with the dreams they crystal showed to Regis in the Omen trailer, showing him "a possible future out of many" with Noctis fighting Luna, referencing Noctis fighting Stella in that Versus XIII trailer. What they called dreams in XV was just "alternate universes" where the story played differently. It's worth noting that Omen Trailer wasn't made by Squre but by an outside studio who was tasked with making a trailer based on an old script and old outdated concepts.
Haha to be honest i was always in love with the concept of Versus XIII and i have spend a ton of my free personal time to research the project, its lore and story, its development history and its differences with FFXV. I've been on this wild ride since 2006.You seem to know a lot about the history of the project. If Verum Rex ever comes a reality, it would be very instructive to talk to you to compare what is reused and what is a new concept.
We live in the other side of KH, otherwise known as Unreality/Fiction. Confirmed. Joking aside though that made me laugh lol.Would you look at that, Magia and Aegis are talking to each other.
I don't know. It seems that they have a HUGE lore that has never been exploited. It's hard to justify to throw all of that in the trash. They might do some adaptations, but part of it will be reused. Maybe that's why kh3 feels more convoluted than ever with this power of waking thing. They might have used a concept that has been maturing for 10 years in versus13 and it's too vaste to be properly exposed in one game.
Not to mention that versus13 already had some ties with kh3. I remember Nomura talking about the similarities between Sora and Noctis (now Yozora).
Found it! Good lord reading this book was such a bore, no offense. I speed read, okay, I’ll come clean, I practically skimmed it once on kindle and never picked…err…loaded it up again, so I admit I definitely missed some details. I still stand by my words that I don’t hate the book…I just found it utterly as bland as Noct and Luna’s “romance.”(Wall of Text)
None of the DLCs were directed by Tabata, who going by his interviews and the content he cut from the base game, seemed to hate anything to do with Versus and tried to distance XV from Versus as much as possible.
We're really digging this up again... I got so much abuse even talking about this game back in the day.
Oh well. I'm older and more comfortable now.
Since you seem to know an encyclopedia's worth about Versus: did Tetsuya Nomura and Hajime Tabata have a personal falling-out? There's a story I heard from someone on Twitter a while ago, but haven't been able to verify even with Google:
I still can't find those interviews, since I don't know what keywords to look for and the ones I do know are too broad.
- Nomura "discovered" and befriended Tabata at SQEX, and used his leverage as co-producer of the Compilation of FFVII (alongside Yoshinori Kitase) to give Tabata projects - starting with smaller fare like Before Crisis and leading up to Crisis Core and Type-0
- Some time between Type-0 and XV, they had a falling out and Tabata started "tactfully" trashing Nomura in interviews
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Edit: Holy shit this post is longer than i thought it would be and too fucking chaotic. Anyway, if you need to ask something specific or if you need me to link you to a specific interview tell me, i'll try to find it.
Edit2: I think it's the first time i type so much in a single post, my head started hurting lmao.
Sorry for bumping this thread but i felt i had to set the record straight. The leak was fake.
Additionally, it was also stated that the transition from Versus XIII to Final Fantasy XV was overseen by Tetsuya Nomura during the transition, and subsequently this included changes such as the removal of Stella Nox Fleuret, and the inclusion of a wholly new character of Lunafreya Nox Fleuret.