Wow, I've got to say, when I read the topic, I expected much less. I'm impressed. I honestly didn't notice how similar the kidnapping Riku is in both the games, I kinda feel dumb.(that is what he's doing in the first one while with Maleficent, right?)
Keep it up!
Heh, thanks. ^_^
Don't feel dumb, though. It's rather subtle, I think.
And, yeah, that's what Riku was doing. I think it's implied that that was what happened with Alice when she disappeared.
That's true and I also thought that as well. But it's so not much a 360 as a 180, as it goes half way in the opposite direction.
Heh, well, 180 would be going in the completely-opposite direction.
So, maybe 270. Goes forward and then back, but winds up just going sideways.
people as a society tend to sympathize for people that are good doing something good for the greater good while they will more than likely look down on someone that does something bad for the greater good. its a little hard to understand but you get the general idea
Well, yeah. That's basically common sense. There's no reason to look down on someone when they're doing something good and not doing anything wrong to do it.
What I was suggesting was, Riku still was doing something bad for the greater good. After all, Roxas might be a Nobody, but it still isn't nice to knock him out and kidnap him, especially since he was kind of trying to find Sora himself anyway.
I think it's an intresting thought, perhaps I think Riku only saw this as a way to avenge Sora because face it, if the nobodies hadn't done that then Sora would be still ok. Still yes I also think he did this cause it had to be done. I think perhaps the choice was easy what he did to Roxas cause he had always been told they had no feelings, still perhaps Riku saw through this lie and infact he did see Roxas was suffering hence the words "Poor thing" Still Riku knew that saw was a lot more important to the world being whole than Roxas having his own existance, Roxas pretty much as far as we know never made the world a better place infact he was probably helping them make it evil... So yes Riku's opinion of a Princess has changed.... Roxas is a Princess...
Hmm, that's an interesting idea... though, Riku didn't really seem all too interested in revenge, really. He left DiZ so DiZ wouldn't use him as a weapon against the Organization, after all, and let both Namine - who had been the tool used to put Sora in that position - and Axel - who allowed it for his own ends - go after being ordered to kill them.
Though I don't think it really is that easy for Riku - he seems to believe the "Nobodies have no feelings" thing the least out of anybody. There's some little signs - "Is it really that hard to make a beach?" for one. Letting Namine and Axel go is another.
...Princess Roxas is a funny mental image. XD
Oh it is very easy, Why? Because Roxas is on the "bad" side. Besides I hate how everyone feels sorry for Roxas, he got what most other nobodies died to have, He got himself a heart! Infact Riku saved both parties. Roxas was bound to be destroyed by Xemnas if he didn't obey him... All the Org would be after him, Axel said it himself. "Look at what it's come to.... I've been given these icky orders to destroy you if you refuse to come back with me." Hmmm.... Yes indeed I see it that Riku was doing Roxas a favour, cause really Roxas IS Sora, everyone forgets that!
Without Sora Roxas is no one.... Hence the name.... Nobody.
Exactly why it's interesting.
I kind of think that the fate of a Nobody is just rather tragic in general. Sure, Roxas got the "good ending" - he went back to his heart, without having to die to do it. But the end result is still the same; he no longer has his own existence, and, in his case, the existence that he does have inside of Sora seems to be based on the false version of himself created by DiZ.
And I'm sure Roxas didn't see it as Riku doing him any favors. XD At least at the time, anyway.
Well I think they are two very different things. In KH, he was kidnapping the DP's for a bad reason, to open up the heart of HB. He was doing it for Kairi, but it was going to have a bad outcome. In KH2, he kidnaps Roxas for a good reason, to bring revenge on Org. 13. He was doing it for Sora, and it was going to have a good outcome. So I guess it really depends on the outcomes of situations, or what the main goal is.
Well, yeah. The question is, did Riku know what the bad result of opening that final seal would be?
...no, Riku didn't do it for revenge. DiZ did, but Riku didn't care about revenge at all. Riku wanted Sora back. Which is for the best, since getting Sora back
is a good end, whereas revenge is not, regardless of what the Organization did.
The idea of morality being based on outcome is rather interesting...
In the KH2 Riku doesnt't uses the power of darkness, cause in CoM Reverse/rebirth, he gets Mickey's help to defeat the darkness inside of him but that only helps 50% so he gets the power of twilight or light and darkness.
Visibly false - literally. If Riku didn't use the power of darkness, he wouldn't have changed into Xehanort's Heartless.